Are there any speed cameras or speed bumps in/0n Barry road??

[Earl Aelfheah]

Please no speedbumps. Cameras, fine. Actual enforcement officers - better. Just please, no more speed bumps.

[Earl Aelfheah]

I'm not sure the guy doing 49 mph would have been slowed down by a happy/sad face sign. How about a police officer, with a hand held speed gun, nicking him for dangerous driving?

[matthew1]

I agree with the above..I can't see anyone seriously watching their speed without a threat of a fine.

Unfortunately, looking at rch's detailed agenda of what needs to be done and the cost involved, it looks unlikely to ever happen.

[cazzyr]

Sydenham Hill have a new enforcement camera that slows traffic on what was previously a very busy road. Forest Hill road a newly refurbished one immediately outside Harris Boys. What does it take to get cameras? Public pressure? Lobbying councils?

[rupert james]

More people stepping off the pavement without looking.

[cazzyr]

Er no Rupert James. More like selfish car drivers not having grey matter to work out basic road signs and signals. Amber traffic lights don't mean speed up...sadly this happens with worrying frequency on pedestrian crossing. Also many drivers shoot through on red.

[rupert james]

cazzyr Wrote:

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> Sydenham Hill have a new enforcement camera that

> slows traffic on what was previously a very busy

> road. Forest Hill road a newly refurbished one

> immediately outside Harris Boys. What does it take

> to get cameras? Public pressure? Lobbying

> councils?

It still is a busy road and there are no traffic lights.

Out of interest how many accidents have happened on this piece of road?

It is more dangerous now than it has ever been with disbelief at having to travel at 20mph on a clear and broad road.

Perhaps if the Council took account of local knowledge things would be better.

Still most protesters still have to live in the real world and not their candyfloss dream. Speed needs to be controlled but common sense must prevail which seems to be lacking.

[James Barber]

With respect to the grumpy faced speed signs (SIDs). I have also put bids for more of them. But the current council administration no longer allow them. They don't maintain them and as they fail their left.

Clear research that they slow average speeds by 1-2mph. This doesn't sound much but can be life or death difference.

I've explained to Cllr Charlie Smith that his administration don't allow them. He hasn't had that policy changed so they;re not happening any time soon.

I'd like average speed cameras. I've pricing for them bur speed cameras are done via London wide Met system with TfL. So far proven impossible to get through that organisational treacle.

[Earl Aelfheah]

I agree James - Average speed cameras across London would be great. Much better than miles and miles of speed bumps. Or better still, national legislation to install technology in cars to limit speeds.

[Sally Eva]

The trouble with average speed cameras is that "on average" speeds across London are very low. The speed limit through Peckham along Peckham Road is 20mph. Drivers are probably lucky to average 5mph because they spend so much time stationary at the lights. However when they pass the last set of traffic lights (or the set before that if they see green lights ahead of them) their speeds suddenly take off to about 50mph which is far too much on a densely packed shopping street.

So average speed cameras will need to be placed very carefully and frequently and there will need to be lots of them. On well known race tracks like the OKR may be but even there average speed (including waiting at traffic lights) is probably quite low. It's the racing in between the lights which is the problem and the manoeuvring at speed between lanes and average speed cameras unless very frequent indeed will not capture that.

Legislation to install technology in cars to limit speed -- yes, amen to that. Also changes in car gearing so that they work efficiently in low gears and at low speeds. Cars moving slowly frequently sound as though their drivers are having difficulty controlling them because the gearing is designed for 0-60 in 30 seconds rather than 20mph for long periods.

[Sally Eva]

Any way that's not why I came looking for this thread and brought it back to life.

These are the dates for the Speedwatch programme discussed further up the thread. Here called Road Watch.

Dates for Road Watch - November 2016

Monday 7TH - Alleyn Road junction with Church approach SE21 ? 1700 ? 1900HRS

Tuesday 8TH - Barry Road junction with Upland Road SE22 - 1700HRS ? 19OOHRS

Thursday 10TH - Croxted Road junction with Cokers Lane SE21 ? 1700HRS 1900HRS

Friday11th - Lordship Lane junction with Milo Road SE22 ? 0900 ? 1100 HRS

Friday 18th - Salter Road Junction Lagado Mews SE16 ? 0900 ? 1100HRS

Dates for Road Watch - December 2016

Monday 12th - Half Moon lane ? Junction with Red Post Hill SE24 ? 1700HRS ? 1900HRS

Thursday 15th ? Dulwich Wood Park O/s St Margaret Clitherow SE19 ? 1700 ? 1900HRS

Friday 16th - Alleyn Road junction with Church Approach SE21 - 0900HRS ? 1100HRS

Monday 19th - Barry Road Junction with Upland Road SE22 ? 1700 ? 1900HRS

Tuesday 20th - Southwark Bridge Road Junction with Sawyer Street SE1 ? 1700 ? 1900HRS

lady is charge is PCSO Jo Mountford 6050T

Road Transport Policing Command

Southwark

Souhtwark Police Station, 323 Brough High Street SE1 1JL

T0207 232 6669

[email protected]

give her a buzz if you are interested

[kford]

Here's another suggestion, and it's proven to work: remove the white lines down the middle of the road.

I've said this before (and James B. was interested).

No need for unproven speed cameras. Just a little uncertainty and drivers begin to think (just like the DoT's slogan: THINK!)

http://www.roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/3817.html

[rendelharris]

That sounds like the shared streets scheme in Holland where not only are the road markings removed but even the pavements, seems to work. There's an interesting alternative near here on New Park Road which runs between Brixton Hill and the South Circular: the road at the South Circular end has been painted with what one can only describe as psychedelic designs, it's quite hard to see where one should drive - certainly appears to make drivers wake up and assess the surroundings - it does us anyway! Can't find a picture but this describes it: http://www.brixtonblog.com/new-park-road-traffic-calming-test-day/35879

[Sally Eva]

OTOH remove all the road markings and the traffic will slow down was tried on Exhibition Road.

Apparently it works once for every driver. They had to put the road markings back. On Exhibition Road they enormously widened the pavement so that only about a third of the road was left for two-way traffic. That worked a bit because the cars were afraid of banging into one another.

But pedestrians wandering all over the road because it all seemed to be pavement -- did that work? You bet your life it did not. Drive hard at a pedestrian and it jumps out of your way and all the others don't try it.

[kford]

Just removing the white lines would be needed. Not a shared space scheme.

[Sally Eva]

It would be a step. Removing space between the two lanes of traffic makes both slow down because they are worried about crashing into one another. Lots of roads have wide cross hatching between the two lanes or a central reservation. Just makes the traffic more confident.

It's like the old joke about new road safety feature for motor cars -- a spike in the middle of the steering wheel.

Instead we have done the opposite and made cars safer and safer to be inside and more and more dangerous to be outside.

[cazzyr]

Why bother with average speed cameras and 'smiley face' nonsense. Why not put speed cameras that take photos of the idiots speeding and also red light cameras at the lights? People are very motivated to obey the speeds if they realise a speeding fine is involved!

[rendelharris]

cazzyr Wrote:

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> Why bother with average speed cameras and 'smiley

> face' nonsense. Why not put speed cameras that

> take photos of the idiots speeding and also red

> light cameras at the lights? People are very

> motivated to obey the speeds if they realise a

> speeding fine is involved!

Average speed cameras do take photos of idiots speeding, if you exceed the permitted average speed for crossing an area you get fined and points on your licence - more effective than cameras in one place as people can't just slow for a camera then speed up again.

[pop9770]

The 20mph limit on a road like this is difficult to enforce as A long straight road the impression of speed is reduced doing 20 feels like 10 and doing 30 feels like 20.

30 is what Barry road should be with the need to slow to 15-20 for crossings.

I agree with kford remove the crossings with lights and install table top zebra crossings

ALSO This is a road that would be perfect for average speed cameras that's the only thing that will result in reducing speeding by lunatics.

In my experience over the last 20 years the speeding has reduced considerably on many of the local main roads including Barry rd.

Questions

How much slower do speeds need to go if at all or should they go up on roads like this?

Is it just a few speeders the same ones who speed on every road how to stop them?

What are the accident figures?

What other speed reducing options are there?

Buses speed everywhere why are they not electronically restricted to set speed limits many are driven my maniacs?

[kcu98bmw]

Having recently moved to barry Road I have the misfortune of cycling on this road most days. With the resurfacing work to start soon I wonder whether any improvements will be undertaken e.g. Redesign so that it isn't a drag strip; or is this a nice new surface to which will probably make the speeding issue even worse:

[kibris]

Nice long road which a car loves so play the music and relax with the roof down doing 30 mph

[Earl Aelfheah]

pop9770 Wrote:

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> Questions

> How much slower do speeds need to go if at all or

> should they go up on roads like this?

I think 20 is fine - but not when you have speed bumps. Then it is a case of 20 down to about 5, back up to 20, down to about 5 etc. This just leads to huge frustration, which also IMO, often leads to people flooring it when they do get an opportunity. 20 mph, actually enforced by either average speed cameras, or (sharp intake of breath) real traffic police.

> Is it just a few speeders the same ones who speed

> on every road how to stop them?

Yes. They're often the ones in big vehicles that barely notice speed bumps, or commercial ones that don't care about the damage to the company van and consider bumps sport. The lack of any real enforcement (cameras / police) means they drive with impunity.

> What are the accident figures?

see http://www.crashmap.co.uk/

> What other speed reducing options are there?

Chicane / priority to one direction, average speed cameras, real people stopping dangerous drivers (not just a machine measuring speed)

> Buses speed everywhere why are they not

> electronically restricted to set speed limits many

> are driven my maniacs?

Good question. Even better one - why are not all vehicles electronically limited in order to restrict their speed to the road they're on (hardly beyond the ability of current technology). Why does anyone need a car capable of 130 mph and 0-6 in a few seconds when they only drive it on public roads?

[Earl Aelfheah]

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[sheff]

Soon all new buses will be limited to he speed of the road when TFL roll out their trial.

They will not retro fit however so routes like the 12 will be unaffected.