The East Dulwich Stag Do

[Brendan]

With regards to groups of lads behaving badly, whether at home or abroad. Would you like my personal opinion? Well you are getting it.

It all comes down to the fact that these guys feel the need to feel like a ?man? (or be respected). The only way some people can fulfill this need is by asserting some kind of dominance over others. The ?Me ?n my mates can do wot we wants coz we?s pissed and there?s lots of us? kinda thing. A bit like a bunch of adolescent chimpanzees running around the troop and making a noise to assert their authority over the others.

Civilized human society has evolved to where men fulfill this need by being capable, kind and responsible and therefore respected. You get the same buzz from fixing something, solving a problem or doing something for someone that they really appreciate as you do from raping and pillaging. It is all about capability and respect.

Problem is al lot of these things don?t seem to have any value to many people. So lads (who are just that without capability, kindness and responsibility no matter what their age) can only fulfill this need by regressing back to animal like behavior.

Now I?m not an anthropologist so I could be completely wrong. I?m just a 30 yr old who, after reading over this again, quite clearly thinks like an 80 yr old.

So consider yourself told sonny.

[SeanMacGabhann]

Interesting thoughts... It's probably fair to say we all have the capacity to behave absolutely appallingly - but, to touch on another thread (the music one I think) if we bother to choose our peers, inspirations, "heroes" for want of a better word carefully then we are much more likely to behave ourselves generally

To actually go and name a set of writers/bands/films/whatever and then compare it to another (wildly different) set of same would leave me open to accusations of generalising - someone is bound to know a Guardian Reading, Cocteau Twins listening, Kiwsloski watching guy who went APE in Prague - but statistically I think i would be happy to place bets at an airport based on who is carrying what

[Jah Lush]

Nice one Brendan. Top post. But you don't have feel like an 80-year-old. Anyone with half a brain, who is brought up properly and taught decent manners and to respect other people would feel the same.

[Brendan]

Now you sound like an 80 yr old Jah. ;-)

[Alan Dale]

I think it is possible for a group of ten to fifteen blokes to go out for a meal and a few drinks and perhaps venture on to a lap dancing club without throwing pint glasses, being sick or even offending anyone but the most ardent feminist.

I think weddings are crap, marriage is unnecessary and stag dos are an associated chore. That said I believe that it is up to the people getting married to decide about that and I chose to make the best of any invites I get including stag dos.

[mockney piers]

Before we get lounged, denying Alan the chance to reap the benefit of snorky's insalubrious local knowledge, Alan's set up a parallel thread in the lounge to continue this discussion.

[SeanMacGabhann]

good call Alan and good spot Mockney

[SeanMacGabhann]

Back on topic then:

The football could be a good start to the day, Hisar for evening meal, comedy club for mid-evening entertainment and then Streatham or Croydon for nearast ladyage

[kford]

ED Stag:

Ingredients: some blokes, a football, some money, a house to get showered and changed in, some pubs, a restaurant.

1200 Meet up at Clockhouse wearing fooball kit. Swift half and light bite.

1330 Decamp to Peckham Rye park for 5-side tournament or similar.

1600 Back to local lad's house to shower and change into evening kit. Optional pint on the way.

1730 Meet back up at Bishop (to get a booth or two) drink some Peroni.

1930 Arrive at Curry Cabin or similar group-friendly establishment. Eat dinner. Drink Cobra.

2130 EDT, on the benches outside (weather permitting) for passing ladies etc

0000 Visit Venus lapdancing bar, Dulwich Village, next to the Greyhound. Sorry. Made that up.

0001 Stumble home

[*Bob*]

If the hell-hole which is Trafalgar Square is too much of a jaunt, 'Caesar's Palace' in Streatham should have everything you need.

[ClareC]

Do blokes actually like / enjoy going to lap dancing clubs or is it more "being a lad" that dictates? I went once (long story) and it wasnt at all as I imagined!

[Alan Dale]

Sacked after your first night?!

[Brendan]

ClareC Wrote:

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> Do blokes actually like / enjoy going to lap

> dancing clubs or is it more "being a lad" that

> dictates? I went once (long story) and it wasnt

> at all as I imagined!

Men like looking at nekkid ladies (or nekkid men depending on their preference). Much has and can be said about this but it is a universal truth which cannot be avoided. There is a certain instinctual appreciation for the female form that has something to do with endorphins. Regardless of the fact that this has always been common knowledge the people in white coats have gone ahead and studied it and found that it is generally peculiar to the male of the species. (According to an article I recently read on the BBC website so it must be true)

Personally I?ve never been a big fan of the lap dancing thing. I?m perfectly happy if they just bring me beer.

[Administrator]

as Brendan said

[dulwichmum]

Dear Brendan,

Shame on you for trying to rationalise such filth. Father O'Connor shall be expecting you at St Thomas Moore on Saturday. If you don't turn up for confession, he shall telephone your mammy.

Alan Dale, you shall have your legs smacked and be off to the naughty step the next time I clap eyes on you.

This thread is complete filth. An early bath for the lot of you.

Boy type stag do = a complete body wax for the chap in question, before getting drunk and cellotaped to a lamp post wearing a dress.

Girl type hen party = weekend spa break with chums, followed by gourmet meal in fabulous restaurant and to bed early with a tub of luxury ice cream and a copy of Vogue.

[Asset]

hmmm, only girly hen weekend I went on we didn't sleep and were extremely badly behaved.

[SeanMacGabhann]

Badly behaved. . Hmmm. We will be the judge of that

sordid details following

[Keef]

I've seen some hen nights which have looked frankly scary!

[James]

Brendan you are soooo right. You're not an 80-year old, just well adjusted. I don't see the appeal of a stag do at all. I think any environment where you take away the women tends to see the worst aspects of male behaviour coming out, driven by some pathetic need to out-gross each other. Free country and all that - but when it starts to make other people's lives a misery it's not funny any more.

[Keef]

Er, what if you don't want to out gross each other, and just want a night out / weekend away with your friends? I totaly agree about the lad thiing, but not every stag do is like that.

[dulwichmum]

Perfect Keef,

No doubt you shall be wearing a smoking jacket and cravat for your stag do at your club? The quiet room perhaps? Cigars before the drinking/body waxing/cellotaping to lamp post/eyebrow shaving etc...

[Alan Dale]

The perfect model for a stag do is as outlined in Tom Hank's classic film Batchelor Party.

All you need is a hotel suite, a band, hookers, drugs and a donkey.

My friend is doing something similar to celebrate a deal. A bit hard core for me but you know these private equity types....

[*Bob*]

Speaking of private equity types.. did anyone catch the 'city bonuses' story recently?

14 billion (that's BILLION) paid-out in bonuses this year - more than the entire UK transport budget. 4200 people in the city getting multi-million pound bonuses. You pal should be able to afford more than one donkey, Alan.

[Alan Dale]

I think the debate about City pay and bonuses deserves as separate thread..

[Brendan]

dulwichmum Wrote:

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> Dear Brendan,

>

> Shame on you for trying to rationalise such filth.

> Father O'Connor shall be expecting you at St

> Thomas Moore on Saturday. If you don't turn up

> for confession, he shall telephone your mammy.

>

Dear Dulwichmun

The last time I saw Fr O'Connor he swore at me because I never go to church (in a lighthearted way I might add) I think my very being in the confessional will be of such a shock to him that he either neglects to give me any penance at all or exacts a stern and swift beating upon my personage when he finds out that I have been spending my Sunday mornings in the Titty & Tassel in the Village. He being a pugnacious man if Eire I think the latter is more likely.

Having said that, if Mammy were informed of same she would be on the first flight in from her home in the colonies, knobkerrie at the ready to set her errant son back on the straight-and-narrow through the time honoured medium of swift and vicious violence.

Either way it will just end up with me having to seek out cold beer and soft bosoms with which to placate my bruised head.