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False argument. People who voted Remain had no knowledge of what future EU membership might have entailed.


Greece needs another bail-out not to help build the country but just to pay the interest on the loans back to the banks. Italy's banking system is broken and Spain and Portugal's are wobbling.


A land of milk and honey the EU ain't

I think Tony Blair is absolutely right on this. But the sad thing is that he's unlikely to advance the cause of those who, like me, agree with him on this matter. He's now so associated with the incredibly damaging idiocy of the Iraq War that that taints any opinion he offers on anything.
Whilst his intervention is probably counterproductive - what he said is correct IMO. The reaction from Gove et al, is as depressing as it is predictable. The idea that because you've lost a vote, you should stop campaigning, stop discussing the issues, or challenging different views is ridiculous. The idea that failure to 'shut up' is somehow anti democratic is absurd and seems to muddle democracy with autocracy.

keano77 Wrote:

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> False argument. People who voted Remain had no

> knowledge of what future EU membership might have

> entailed.

>


We did, as we were already living it.


It's a shame Blair seems to need to do Corbyn's job for him.

It's interesting that MPs who campaigned relentlessly for us to leave the EU in the decades following 1975 referendum, now call anyone campaigning against the outcome of last years vote 'enemies of democracy'.


@nxjen - I agree that Blair's intervention is probably unhelpful.

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> @nxjen - I agree that Blair's intervention is

> probably unhelpful.


Someone has to. Corbyn's useless. Fallon has disappeared without trace. Who else can save us from this madness?


So, Blair's intervention is welcome. For all his faults over the Iraq war, he was actually a pretty good PM up to that point. He's got the strength of personality to make something happen.

Loz Wrote:

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> Who else can save us

> from this madness?


Good point. Though I think Farron speaks well when he gets the chance, and Nicola Sturgeon is exceptionally sharp - though of course limited in her potential impact.


>

> For all his

> faults over the Iraq war, he was actually a pretty

> good PM up to that point.


Couldn't agree more. That was part of the tragedy. He was very good in many ways.

Tony Bliar was right about the public being misinformed- but that was during his ENTIRE election etc campaigning. Anyway- I still think that because of the contradictions on both sides people voted Remain or Leave according to their own personal circumstances and experience, or by Virtue Signalling (although i know someone who voted Leave but totally denies it because of their personal circumstances at work)

uncleglen Wrote:

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> ...I still think

> that because of the contradictions on both sides

> people voted Remain or Leave according to their

> own personal circumstances and experience, or by

> Virtue Signalling


Can we please retire the phrase 'virtue signalling'.

A pointless man spewing patronising platitudes laced with 'I know best' arrogance which remainers will agree with "He's a bastard, yes, but he's right!" and leavers will dismiss "Warmonger! Liar!" and which serves only one purpose - the promotion of Tony Blair.


Twas ever thus.

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