Is it only "Hipsters" who don't want high rise development on the Morrison car park in Peckham?

[mynamehere]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/hipsters-fury-over-building-plan-which-would-block-the-view-from-peckham-rooftop-hangout-franks-a3469861.html

What's a consultation?

Is there a meaning to views in the time of housing shortage?

Do "types" of people want to live in vastly different ways? (the 80% in the middle not the extreme outliers)

[alice]

is the high rise 'affordable' or social housing?

[TheArtfulDogger]

I would hardly call Eileen Conn a hipster, a committed peckhamite yes but far to old to be a hipster.

[taper]

Peckham Vision do seem deeply reactionary at times. I can't recall the last housing development they supported. But I do think they have a point here. 20 stories is out of proportion to the rest of the area. Other than some of the horrific housing blocks that went up in the sixties. The Aylesham is a dump. So development is welcome. But keep the height down and the views across Peckham as they are.

[TheArtfulDogger]

Maybe the plans for the new high rise(s) in Peckham could include a bar / restaurant at e top rivalling the views from the shard

[JohnL]

Transport links nowhere near good enough.

No tube, no improvements to southern or thameslink planned

Get the developers to pay for that (a la OKR)

[uncleglen]

The only solution to the 'housing shortage' in London (or rather the 'overpopulation' of London) is to move all the people who are workshy and perpetually on benefits out of the city thereby freeing up accommodation for actual workers...just a thought...

[JoeLeg]

To where, exactly?

Cute little sound bites are all very well - and you're excellent at them - but I'm genuinely interested to know where you think workshy benefit scrounges should go, as well as how we determine who is a workshy benefit scrounger (preferably no more private companies making money from telling disabled people they're able to work)?

Shipping out the dead wood certainly has something to it, but what happens to the communities they get sent to? Doesn't that just exacerbate the issues small towns have been facing with immigration for years? How does dumping large numbers of unemployed on them help? Or do we create tent cities? Our own Calais jungle down on Dartmoor?

Or do you only mean non-UK passport holders? Do you believe once they're gone the job market will stabilise? It's certainly possible, but with every passing year I become less and less enamoured of Young British workers; indeed I'm probably about to fire one this week who simply seems to lack a work ethic - and he's not even an idiot, he just doesn't get it - and it's likely he'll be replaced by the EU citizen who already works for me, wants to be promoted and has shown he can do the job.

There's nowhere near enough housing in London, nowhere near enough doctors or infrastructure, not enough good schools and teachers and libraries, it's harder and harder and more expensive to live here. Is simply dumping people out past zone 6 the answer? Should we define what's needed for people to have the right to live here? A job? Paying taxes? Contributing to society?

You know, if I thought the idea would work I'd honestly be behind it, but the problem of the workshy on benefits (and I'd be really interested to see a social/ethnic breakdown of who that is, a proper one, not some assumptions), is that they need to be forced to get jobs, so we can tax them and get more money for the state and more private enterprise going. A Soviet-style rejection of anyone who doesn't measure up to an arbitrary standard has never worked and never will.

[JohnL]

The Hipster headline is a bit strange, as if people visiting Franks, and who are notorious

for being transient (they move onto the next hip area soon enough) matter more than people

who live here.

Maybe it's a straw man headline by the Standard ?

[hammerman]

Programme on BBC1 this morning called Britain's Home Truths. Only caught the last 5 minutes or so but looked interesting and was all about how Peckham was changing. Presenter used to live in Peckham.

[Seabag]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> The only solution to the 'housing shortage' in

> London (or rather the 'overpopulation' of London)

> is to move all the people who are workshy and

> perpetually on benefits out of the city thereby

> freeing up accommodation for actual workers...just

> a thought...

I'd go for Joy-O-Meter test, where they score you on just how miserable you are. People like you could be exited to the 'outer rim' of the cities.

There you could practice your 'shouting but not listening' style of communication, in a bell-jar like experiment of nothingness

[JohnL]

Seabag Wrote:

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> uncleglen Wrote:

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> -----

> > The only solution to the 'housing shortage' in

> > London (or rather the 'overpopulation' of

> London)

> > is to move all the people who are workshy and

> > perpetually on benefits out of the city thereby

> > freeing up accommodation for actual

> workers...just

> > a thought...

>

>

>

> I'd go for Joy-O-Meter test, where they score you

> on just how miserable you are. People like you

> could be exited to the 'outer rim' of the cities.

>

> There you could practice your 'shouting but not

> listening' style of communication, in a bell-jar

> like experiment of nothingness

Underground I reckon, Farage can go down there too.

and Piers Morgan

[Earl Aelfheah]

There needs to be a massive investment in northern cities.