The old Woolwich Bank site

[Brendan]

Iceland do cake. Six inna box for-a squid!

[Keef]

Cake or death?

[fonson]

Good point Keef,

It would be nice to strike a balance....I shop in Iceland and appreciate the good bargains...I must point out how many ED residents looked down their noses at Somerfield until it was jazzed up.

[Brendan]

To maintain this thread's integrity I will not respond to that Keef. No matter how much the voices are screaming out for me to.

This is about a new trader on Lordship Lane and Eddy Izard has no place in it. Dammit!

[downsouth]

There is a nasty undercurrent of snobbery which surfaces quite frequently. No I don't shop in Mark One but there are some people who perhaps can't afford all the thing s going on on LL. There a people on tighter budgets, lower wages etc... Why does everyone seem to think LL is some middle class utopia - it isn't. There were plenty of people who lived here before the newbies arrived and the very well will be there once the trendy newbies have had enough of the inner city so yes they should be catered for too. It's called diversity.

[kford]

The problem isn't to do with the content of the store, not who will or will not shop there. The problem is that it will open the floodgates to every other 100+ stores chains.

Do we really want a LL packed with the likes of Snappy Snaps, Superdrug, Carphone Warehouse, Hallmark Cards or KFC?

[lozzyloz]

Doesn't Peckham cater for diversity? After all we can't start playing with house prices in ED now that Foxtons have arrived.

[Rolo Tomasi]

downsouth Wrote:

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> There is a nasty undercurrent of snobbery which surfaces quite frequently.

Totally agree with this, dont know where it comes from and to be honest i'm getting quite sick of it.(6)

>There were plenty of people who lived here before the newbies arrived.

Born in the local hospital, went to the local schools, worked in the local shops. Lived in Clapham for 5 years and came back "home" and even the clhamites werent this far up themselves.

[downsouth]

The fact is that no independent reatiler has come to LL to sell affordable items they are marketed at a particular segment and yes I like and buy a lot of this but how about everyone who doesn't like/can't buy these sorts of things. Where do they go? Down to Peckham or Camberwell? Should they have to? A good highstreet is a mixture. The fllodgaes argument is scaremongering. There is enough civic pride and monitoring by floks here and elsewhere to resist an identiki make up of the street but at the moment it is turning into a playground for those who can afford and that's not something that sits well with me.

[Nero]

Agree with kford. I don't want a bland high street with identikit features. Yes, there are some 'posh' places on LL, but there are also 'normal' places like bookies' yards, grocery shops, chemists, card shops, fast food places, newsagents and curry houses. In fact the 'normal' stuff outweighs the chintz and high-end, I reckon. Nero

[capt_birdseye]

Android17 Wrote:

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> >There were plenty of people who lived here before

> the newbies arrived.

>

> Born in the local hospital, went to the local

> schools, worked in the local shops. Lived in

> Clapham for 5 years and came back "home" and even

> the clhamites werent this far up themselves.

Here we go again! Another thread goes the way of "new vs old". Can't we just let it lie for once?!

[fonson]

I was brought up in SW9 and went to the local schools there and bought here in 1993 but I have seen what can happen when you do get the down market shops in these areas.

I am not a snob and I certainly do not earn the TV producer and hedge funds wages earned in this area but I and others like me in the area also like the nice shops that have come into the area.

They would be stupid if they didn't use their business sense to exploit the middle classes with their masses of diposable income.

I am sorry if I sound snobby

[Rolo Tomasi]

capt_birdseye Wrote:

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> Android17 Wrote:

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> -----

> > >There were plenty of people who lived here

> before

> > the newbies arrived.

> >

> > Born in the local hospital, went to the local

> > schools, worked in the local shops. Lived in

> > Clapham for 5 years and came back "home" and

> even

> > the clhamites werent this far up themselves.

>

>

>

> Here we go again! Another thread goes the way of

> "new vs old". Can't we just let it lie for once?!

Nope! Dont get me wrong i'm all for change. I was a avid support of "get the Dull-out-of-Dulwich". But when people start making stupid comments it gets my back up.

[capt_birdseye]

This thread has "Jumped the Shark", the lounge beckons.

[Keef]

capt_birdseye Wrote:

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> Here we go again! Another thread goes the way of

> "new vs old". Can't we just let it lie for once?!

That's not fair, Android didn't start turning this thread in to the same old same old. Also, it's unwise to dismiss a debate that keeps arising, because things keep arising for a reaon. Better to address them I think.

Anyway, I for one would really like to see some nice big chain shops on LL. Not snappysnaps and superdrub, and definitely not KFC (Because Favourite Fried Chicken is better ;-) ), but some nice not too flash, not too shabby shops.

Food wise, I wouldn't mind a Subway!!! Agood electrical shop would be good too.

But there is room for both chain and small businesses, both offering things that the other doesn't.

[Rolo Tomasi]

fonson Wrote:

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> I was brought up in SW9 and went to the local

> schools there and bought here in 1993 but I have

> seen what can happen when you do get the down

> market shops in these areas.

>

> I am not a snob and I certainly do not earn the TV

> producer and hedge funds wages earned in this area

> but I and others like me in the area also like the

> nice shops that have come into the area.

>

> They would be stupid if they didn't use their

> business sense to exploit the middle classes with

> their masses of diposable income.

>

> I am sorry if I sound snobby

No worries Fonson (tu)

[fonson]

No probs android17,:)

This is a nice debate

KEEF expanded on what I am trying to get across....a healthy balance....Nobody wants to see a shoddy shop front and it helps if we are honest with what certain shops will attract. I know it may not be very PC but just look at the state of Camberwell around the Mcdonalds......It was never as bad as that 15 years ago.

[Keef]

Good point!

[downsouth]

I don't advocate having shops that will attract trouble but there should be shops for all. There is a difference and it is fair and equitable that it should be so.

[fonson]

It would be interesting to see what the decent folk (Old and New) in Camberwell think....I could be wrong.

[mixulee]

apparently Amersham is the new East Dulwich. It's East Dulwich that's jumped the shark.

[capt_birdseye]

fonson Wrote:

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just look at the state of

> Camberwell around the Mcdonalds......It was never

> as bad as that 15 years ago.

I worked round there 15 years ago, and I can confirm that, yes, it was that bad.

[fonson]

Alright, 20 years ago.....or just before they knocked down the North Peckham estate!

[TillieTrotter]

I personally would rather not see a Mark One in LL. Isnt there one in Brixton for the poor folk? ;-)

[fonson]

God help us if we got a Foot Locker on LL::o