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[snowy]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> rh you are only quoting those that are actually

> convicted- tip of the iceberg...

> https://fullfact.org/europe/over-here-and-under-ar

> rest-are-romanians-responsible-90-atm-crime/

> how many are still on the loose?

You didn't read to the end of your link though did you?

[DulwichLondoner]

Still no proof that there is any kind of crime epidemic wrt to EU nationals here.

Anyway, let's try to see what could possibly be different post Brexit, shall we?

Let's start from criminals who arrive here. If they are convicted criminals, they can already be stopped at the border. If they are not convicted, what would be different? Post Brexit, will our Border Agency have specific mind-reading machines to assess who will commit crimes?

Oh, but post Brexit we'll be able to deny visas to those who don't have a job. True, but you can already kick out Europeans who can't support themselves. The FT had a story on Belgium being very aggressive with this. Also, Europeans will still be able to come here on tourist visas and overstay (illegally). Requiring visas even for tourism and business travel is not feasible, nor would it be in the UK's interest.

If Europeans are caught doing something bad, we can already kick them out.

Maybe post Brexit it will be easier to deny entry to those who had been arrested but not convicted? This I genuinely don't know; what about the presumption of innocence?

The story on chocolate is very different from what you implied. There are two sides to every story, aren't there? France Italy Belgium and a number of other countries wanted to distinguish between purer chocolate and inferior products, like the British chocolate , which did not use cocoa butter. They wanted these inferior products to be called something other than chocolate, but the EU told them mo. They wanted the label with the ingredients to be more visible in the front of the package, and again the EU said no. This is more debatable, because now consumers used to a certain product will not realise as clearly that what they are buying as 'chocolate' is not the 'chocolate' they were used to. Sure, there's still the label at the back, but not everyone reads it.

Anyway, it's a moot point because local tastes are too different anyway. It's no coincidence that Cadbury never really made a dent in the Belgian and Italian markets, and that the Italian Ferrero has a much much lower market share in the UK than in Italy.

Like most (if not all) Brexiters, you present isolated incidents, but fail to make the case that they are in any way representative. On the matter of euro clearing, the ECJ ruled in favour of the UK. And so in a number of other cases.

[JohnL]

is anyone actually doing anything sensible here.

Boris: The EU can go Whistle

Barnier: The clocks ticking

Damian Green: Negotiations are going very well

[JoeLeg]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> rh you are only quoting those that are actually

> convicted- tip of the iceberg...

> https://fullfact.org/europe/over-here-and-under-ar

> rest-are-romanians-responsible-90-atm-crime/

> how many are still on the loose?

>

You definitely didn't entirely read the whole link!

> oh yes what about the Chocolate fiasco

A) 'Fiasco' is massive hyperbole and B) it describes a victory for shit chocolate. Hardly a ringing endorsement of U.K. production.

>

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/678141.stm

> and the french boycott of British beef

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/f

> rance/1409136/France-likely-to-escape-paying-beef-

> ban-fine.html

Ancient news. Got anything current?

[Loz]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Loz, Rendel, Alan Medic

>

> Loz, given the hour of your post you cannot have been expected to appreciate the irony of my

> mention of bananas given that DulwichLondoner raised the subject in an earlier reply to me

> above. Anyway, you might be delighted to learn that

>

> Commission regulation 2257/94 decreed that bananas in general should be ?free from malformation or

> abnormal curvature?. Those sold as ?extra class? must be perfect, ?class 1? can have ?slight

> defects of shape? and ?class 2? can have full-scale ?defects of shape?.

>

> In short, bananas should be preferably straightish, shouldn't be too curvy but can be

> bendy.

Yes, the EU divides produce into Class 1 and Class 2, something that will almost certainly continue in the UK post-Brexit.

Nice work disproving your own assertion that the EU is 'forcing straight bananas onto us'. You just saved me a bit of time looking it up.

[Seabag]

titch juicy Wrote:

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> As evidenced by the refusal to back up any

> rhetoric with evidence of how Brexit will benefit

> us, the only sensible and frankly logical

> assumption left available is that Keano doesn't

> actually believe it will.

>

> Which begs the question, why does he/she really

> want us to leave the EU?

Keano77 has nothing to loose I'm guessing, no job, no business as such.

[keano77]

Seabag

If you're referring to my reference to unemployment, pea picking, fruit picking etc post above, that was an example in a discussion with JoeLeg as to dole/housing benefit being a reason or disincentive why locals in such areas don't take available agricultural work while migrants do. Sorry I didn't make it clearer by using quotation marks.

I'm employed and well renumerated, but thank you for your concern.

[Seabag]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Seabag

>

> If you're referring to my reference to

> unemployment, pea picking, fruit picking etc post

> above, that was an example in a discussion with

> JoeLeg as to dole/housing benefit being a reason

> or disincentive why locals in such areas don't

> take available agricultural work while migrants

> do. Sorry I didn't make it clearer by using

> quotation marks.

>

> I'm employed and well renumerated, but thank you

> for your concern.

Aw, I was wondering how long it'd take you to reply.

*inserts wink icon*

[rendelharris]

keano77 Wrote:

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> I'm employed and well renumerated, but thank you

> for your concern.

Sorry to be a pedantic wanker, but it's what pedantic wankers do: the word is remunerated, from the Latin remuneratio, to give back, recompense. Very common slip.

[keano77]

Quite right Rendel, fat fingers or predictive text I'm afraid. Sorry

[rendelharris]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Quite right Rendel, fat fingers or predictive text

> I'm afraid. Sorry

Thou art shriven - used to do it all the time myself - it's a counterintuitive sort of spelling, isn't it?

[keano77]

Annoyingly Rendel it looks as if I edited my post to correct a spelling but missed that howler. Sorry to let down standards folks.

[red devil]

I think a lot of people actually think it is renumeration, ties in with numbers, numerals etc, have even heard it pronounced that way...

[DulwichLondoner]

remuneration (n.)

c. 1400, from Middle French remuneration and directly from Latin remunerationem (nominative remuneratio) "a repaying, recompense," noun of action from past participle stem of remunerari "to pay, reward," from re- "back" (see re-) + munerari "to give," from munus (genitive muneris) "gift, office, duty" (see municipal).

But, fear not, post-Brexit we'll get rid of all these pesky non-Celtic words from the English dictionary!

[Loz]

DulwichLondoner Wrote:

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> But, fear not, post-Brexit we'll get rid of all

> these pesky non-Celtic words from the English dictionary!

We'll have no need for it anyway, as, post-Brexit, there will be no money to remunerate anyone, anyway.

We can create a new word - say, repebulate - to reflect that everyone after then will be paid in pebbles.

[JohnL]

Some say "compensation" now - but just found out remuneration is broader.

http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-compensation-and-vs-remuneration/.

[malumbu]

Shagged sounds an appropriate term, not in the sexual manner. We'll all be shagged. Got to laugh......

[JohnL]

'Chocolate Orange' seems to be the latest word.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/12/theresa-mays-government-could-come-apart-like-chocolate-orange/

[JohnL]

"Government will need to be fast and flexible"

Stop it !!!.

[malumbu]

agile is the in-word where I work.

[Loz]

I see that the Great Reform Bill seeks to "restore the sovereignty of parliament" via completely and utterly bypassing the sovereignty of parliament to pass thousands of laws.

I'd be funny if it wasn't so stupid.

[edhistory]

I don't think you've read the Bill:

http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2017-19/europeanunionwithdrawal.html

[malumbu]

Spose it depends on whether all of the Tories and DUP have to tow the line or not. Perhaps DUP will actually be a proper challenge as opposed to the LD poodles.

[JohnL]

Loz Wrote:

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> I see that the Great Reform Bill seeks to "restore

> the sovereignty of parliament" via completely and

> utterly bypassing the sovereignty of parliament to

> pass thousands of laws.

>

> I'd be funny if it wasn't so stupid.

I've not read it but I've heard about the Henry VIII clauses and not impressed with that.

The Government could modify things the day after the act is passed without parliament it seems.

[JohnL]

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/30/europe/great-repeal-bill-henry-viii-clauses/index.html