Brexit View

[JohnL]

"Speaking ahead of a meeting with Mrs May on Wednesday, the Democratic Unionist Party's leader Arlene Foster said: "The current backstop is toxic to those of us living in Northern Ireland.?"

It's worth remembering that most NI residents and those with close ties to NI have automatic citizenship of the ROI including her. It's annoying that she can talk like this with her "get out of jail free" card sitting in her back pocket.

Effectively all the DUP will retain freedom of movement via ROI dual citizenship.

[Sephiroth]

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By the way - if everything you have said turns out to be true by the end of May 2019 I will eat my words. I won't do it naked, or on television, or hopping down the South Bank, but I will eat my words.?

And remainers (like me) who think the worst will happen should also be able to eat our words

But if it is remainers eating their words, then so what. No one will have been affected or harmed. Yay!

But if people like you Robbin are wrong, then I?m not sure you eating your words will provide sufficient comfort

[Sephiroth]

And why are leavers, from the govt down to joe soap in the street, starting to say things like ?if we leave with no deal, blame Brussels?

It?s because they know what?s coming. If it wasn?t so bad, there would be no need to blame Brussels

[Sephiroth]

And in breaking news: from the Times

?New

Cabinet ministers told PM it's time to go public with the reality of no deal

Rudd said the Govt needs to be 'straight with the British people' and lift lid on implications for national security

Gove apparently supportive & called for daily TV and radio adverts?

[JoeLeg]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> And why are leavers, from the govt down to joe

> soap in the street, starting to say things like

> ?if we leave with no deal, blame Brussels?

>

> It?s because they know what?s coming. If it wasn?t

> so bad, there would be no need to blame Brussels

I would say it?s because there?s a certain type of Leave voter which will blame the EU for anything that does not go totally our way. They refuse to acknowledge that we did a lot of this to ourselves, and insist on thinking that somehow the EU is supposed to give us everything we ask for.

[JoeLeg]

JohnL Wrote:

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> "Speaking ahead of a meeting with Mrs May on

> Wednesday, the Democratic Unionist Party's leader

> Arlene Foster said: "The current backstop is toxic

> to those of us living in Northern Ireland.?"

>

> It's worth remembering that most NI residents and

> those with close ties to NI have automatic

> citizenship of the ROI including her. It's

> annoying that she can talk like this with her "get

> out of jail free" card sitting in her back

> pocket.

>

> Effectively all the DUP will retain freedom of

> movement via ROI dual citizenship.

Like many of the rich and powerful advocating for Hard Brexit, she has very little to lose.

The DUP are mediaeval scum who are perfectly happy to take our money while having vile attitudes. The fact that they hold such disproportionate influence on the lives of us on the mainland makes me sick.

[Sephiroth]

That?s definitely part of it Joe

But I?m saying - In flat contradiction of Robbin - that the country is on the brink of total disaster and meltdown.

Even some of the leavers in govt realise this. They have read the impact assessments and can read the runes

They just didn?t expect people to be so credulous of all of the promises over the last few years.

Once the fit hits the shan, the people who have been in power for last couple of years will be sought

[keano77]

Sephiroth said

?...But I?m saying - In flat contradiction of Robbin - that the country is on the brink of total disaster and meltdown...?

Steady on Sephiroth, I think you need to keep a sense of proportion here.

[Sephiroth]

I?m happy with my sense of proportion (if not what it tells me)

But complacency and arrogance will be this countries downfall - it wouldn?t be the first country. And it won?t be the last. But it does fancy itself as ?above all that?

[JohnL]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Sephiroth said

>

> ?...But I?m saying - In flat contradiction of

> Robbin - that the country is on the brink of total

> disaster and meltdown...?

>

> Steady on Sephiroth, I think you need to keep a

> sense of proportion here.

I have an ominous feeling of this too - as if we're on the edge.

Might be me but sometimes feel I'm one flash point away from joining the revolution LOL.

I can complain to pubs, stores, organisations and get an apology even when I'm in the wrong but in a democracy this government doesn't listen to anybody and continues to spread lies and nonsense. Everything on all sides is about political points scoring.

The revolution if it came of course would be peaceful but unstoppable.

[Alan Medic]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47143135#

Special place in hell for Brexiteers!

PS The headline is BBC spin. He actually said for those who planned Brexit.

[malumbu]

[Jules-and-Boo]

This is all so grown up and professional.

[JohnL]

I agree with him

2nd circle somewhere, nice and warm

[JohnL]

Mr Varadkar was picked up by the microphones telling Mr Tusk: "They'll give you terrible trouble in the British press for that." Mr Tusk nodded at the comment and both laughed.

I think I heard Varadkar also said "I Agree"

[JohnL]

Tusk isn't talking about voters by the way he's talking about Farage, Johnson, Gove etc.

[Jenny1]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Tusk isn't talking about voters by the way he's

> talking about Farage, Johnson, Gove etc.

Exactly. And he's right.

[robbin]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> ?

> By the way - if everything you have said turns out

> to be true by the end of May 2019 I will eat my

> words. I won't do it naked, or on television, or

> hopping down the South Bank, but I will eat my

> words.?

>

> And remainers (like me) who think the worst will

> happen should also be able to eat our words

>

> But if it is remainers eating their words, then so

> what. No one will have been affected or harmed.

> Yay!

>

> But if people like you Robbin are wrong, then I?m

> not sure you eating your words will provide

> sufficient comfort

Just so I'm clear, what do you mean by "people like you Robbin"?

[Alan Medic]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Tusk isn't talking about voters by the way he's

> talking about Farage, Johnson, Gove etc.

Yes, but that's not the BBC chose to spin it.

[Jules-and-Boo]

He was talking about the newspapers reporting it, not the voters and not selected individuals.

[robbin]

Tusk, Merkel and others at the EU are clearly feeling the pressure, just like the UK reps.

[Jenny1]

Full text of Tusk statement here.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2019/02/06/remarks-by-president-donald-tusk-after-his-meeting-with-taoiseach-leo-varadkar/

He doesn't mention newspapers - but simply says 'I've been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted Brexit, without even a sketch of a plan to carry it out safely.'

To my mind that refers to politicians, although of course plenty of newspapers could be included in that definition. Also noteworthy, and unsurprising, that his view is that with May and Corbyn both uninterested in 'Remain' the only task left is the prevention of 'No Deal'.

[keano77]

It?s a bit like the scene from the Good (UK), the Bad (EU) and the Ugly (EU again)

Trigger fingers getting itchy, who?s going to draw first.

[Sephiroth]

@ robbin

"Just so I'm clear, what do you mean by "people like you Robbin"?"

People like you = are happy to leave, think everything will be ok or amazing

[edcam]

Tusk has realised how screwed we are, now that there's unequivocal evidence of Corbyn's desire for Brexit, so he's not pretending any more.

He is 100% accurate.

The BBC's misreporting of this is very telling indeed.