Brexit View

[JoeLeg]

Well, maybe and maybe not. The idea that a ?deal went sour? and someone got killed as a result really isn?t that far-fetched, when you think about all the stuff we know humans will do to each other in pursuit of power and money.

That said, rocking up in front of a Select Commitee with pink hair and an admiral that he heard it all from a mate...

[JohnL]

Maybe I'm too cynical - a lot of the write ups are taking him seriously - the physical evidence given to the committee wasn't shared so maybe it backs him up.

They had a private chat with him at the end too.

[Earl Aelfheah]

It's OK. Dave on Twitter, has this all covered.

Chuka Umunna on @SkyNews going on about letting the people decide the type of Brexit we finish up with. The people have already decided Chuka. Brexit that means Brexit. Simple.— Dave Roberts.🇬🇧 (@Bolddigger52) April 20, 2018

 

[flocker spotter]

simples

end of

period

[Alan Medic]

Dave is one of many similarly inclined on Twitter. He can deal with simple but not so good with slightly complicated.

[JohnL]

I call Dave as a Russian Troll ... as the government has proved their productivity has improved 4000% recently.

A real growth industry.

[Alan Medic]

It may well have, though I find it difficult to believe anything the government says these days.

[uncleglen]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Dave is one of many similarly inclined on Twitter.

> He can deal with simple but not so good with

> slightly complicated.

brand him thick in your verbose way...typical- I expect he is a racist too!

[rendelharris]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> Alan Medic Wrote:

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> > Dave is one of many similarly inclined on

> Twitter.

> > He can deal with simple but not so good with

> > slightly complicated.

>

> brand him thick in your verbose way...typical- I

> expect he is a racist too!

Well, odds are...

ETA, yep, scrolling through his Twitter feed he has an inglorious history of retweeting and supporting far right and racist organizations, so well done, Uncle, just for once you're right!

[Alan Medic]

Is anyone who is anti Brexit, using the local elections to make a point to the two main parties that you do not support their position on it?

[robbin]

No. They are local elections.

[Alan Medic]

robbin Wrote:

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> No. They are local elections.

Yeah, so what? What councils can do is affected by central government funding.

[EDOldie]

We need to vote on local issues. Both the main parties appear to have very similar views on Brexit as far as I can see.

[rendelharris]

EDOldie Wrote:

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> We need to vote on local issues. Both the main

> parties appear to have very similar views on

> Brexit as far as I can see.

I think staying in the customs union or leaving it represents fairly clear water!

[EDOldie]

Thewy both want to leave the EU though? It's only the Lib Dims who are fighting to stay in. Perhaps we all ought to vote for them?

[Alan Medic]

That's what I'm doing. I don't think it's all over yet.

[JohnL]

Big vote today in the Lords - In the event of a no deal the House of Commons gets to decide what happens.

[JohnL]

Passed - and that's the closest the Lords can get to stopping Brexit.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/may-suffers-huge-brexit-defeat-as-lords-backs-meaningful-vote-on-eu-deal-lord-hailsham_uk_5ae73c14e4b02baed1bccc7b

[SpringTime]

If you're a remainer (I'm not but most of you on the EDF are of course) then I'd say this is a very good thing. Feels like where we finally need to be after a crazily simplistic vote. Yes or no, imagine the arrogance of that stupid man Cameron, who thought he had it in the bag so much as to guarantee himself a win on a referendum that would put the issue to bed forever. He didn't half read the people wrong....

EDOdlie says both the main parties appear to have very similar views on Brexit, but I don't think this is right. And I don't think that there's internal consistency on both sides either* So if the Commons are to influence the final negotiations (which sound very complicated!) surely this is a chance for democracy to prove itself?

*Please say how this might be "remedied"

[Seabag]

David?s got one last ?big job? in him apparently. After playing bluff with so many people?s lives he seems to think he?s got something more up there in his butternut squash of a head to give.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/life-after-no-10-is-not-what-david-cameron-was-hoping-for/

He?s always got religion to turn to I suppose, eventually.

[JohnL]

The Express (and Daily Star) got taken over by Trinity Mirror (the new company is called "Reach"). The editors of both Express and Star resigned the day after the takeover and got replaced by Mirror staffers but the editorial leanings of the Express were staying the same.

The Express now just seems to be trying to wind Leavers up IMHO

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/953400/Brexit-news-latest-Jacob-Rees-Mogg-blasts-Theresa-May-European-Union-agreement

"Mrs May has told ministers Britain could ?potentially? sign up to an association agreement with the bitter bloc."

"The Remoaner victory marks the seventh time Mrs May has been defeated in the House of Lords on the EU Withdrawal Bill."

"Jamie Oliver blames Brexit and May for overweight British children"

"No-deal divorce 'could net UK ?651BN haul' and hit EU with devastating loses(sp)"

[flocker spotter]

it seem like the interpretation of the much lauded will of the people is a bit flexible really.

[JoeLeg]

So suddenly Liam Fox has a problem with us having an unelected upper house. He seems to think it exists purely to rubber-stamp government decisions.

Some of us have had a problem with that for a long time, I find it a bit rich that only now he decides he doesn?t like it!

[JoeLeg]

JohnL Wrote:

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> The Express (and Daily Star) got taken over by

> Trinity Mirror (the new company is called

> "Reach"). The editors of both Express and Star

> resigned the day after the takeover and got

> replaced by Mirror staffers but the editorial

> leanings of the Express were staying the same.

>

> The Express now just seems to be trying to wind

> Leavers up IMHO

>

The Express is so desperate for readership that it will print practically anything. Stringent Leavers who don?t have the ability to think for themselves are it?s principle market now.

I know several Leavers who all admit they are embarrassed every time the Express runs one of it's lunatic headlines. While they steadfastly defend their position in an argument, they all feel the Express does way more harm than good for their cause.

[EDOldie]

SpringTime Wrote:

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> If you're a remainer (I'm not but most of you on

> the EDF are of course) then I'd say this is a very

> good thing. Feels like where we finally need to be

> after a crazily simplistic vote. Yes or no,

> imagine the arrogance of that stupid man Cameron,

> who thought he had it in the bag so much as to

> guarantee himself a win on a referendum that would

> put the issue to bed forever. He didn't half read

> the people wrong....

>

> EDOdlie says both the main parties appear to have

> very similar views on Brexit, but I don't think

> this is right. And I don't think that there's

> internal consistency on both sides either* So if

> the Commons are to influence the final

> negotiations (which sound very complicated!)

> surely this is a chance for democracy to prove

> itself?

>

> *Please say how this might be "remedied"

Cameron had no choice but to call a referendum. His whole election campaign was based on that promise and he had no choice but to resign when it didn't go his way.

The Labour Party & the Conservative party want us to leave it seems to me, neither has said that they wouldn't. It also sems to me that if we don't leave the single market and the customs union we are not really leavimg. The only parties that have actively campaigned to remain are the Greens and the Lib Dems. So it seems entirely logical that if you want to stay in the EU you should vote either Green or Lib Dem. Am I missing something?