K&W vs Hisar - my verdict

[JohnL]

Seabag Wrote:

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> fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> > Don't really understand the criticism of FM

> > Mangal. It's not quite the gourmet experience

> some

> > make it out to be, but the food is good. But I

> > guess these places can be inconsistent and have

> > bad days..

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> Nope, it's been consistently salty every time I've

> been there.

Thats the type of cooking isn't it (not that I've tried it but I will)

"They went for the glorious interplay of animal, fat, fire and salt which lies at the heart of a certain type of Turkish cooking."

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/aug/26/restaurant-review-fm-mangal-london

[fishbiscuits]

Seabag Wrote:

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> Nope, it's been consistently salty every time I've been there.

Fair enough.. if it's not to your taste, it's not to your taste. Would be childish to argue the point.

(although I am quite childish, so if I go there again and disagree with your assessment, I might come back to argue the point)

[DulwichFox]

Popped into Hisar Mangal last night. asked for Small (1 skewer) Chicken Shish and chips.

Was Quoted ?9.00.

Nine Pounds for 1 Skewer of Chicken with chips. #Outrageous.

I declined and walked out.

DulwichFox

[robbin]

In your (#humble) opinion.

[Sue]

Quoted?

Didn't they have a menu or price list you could have consulted before you ordered it?

[robbin]

and don't you mean #flounced out?

[fishbiscuits]

Is it really that expensive? I think a shish with salad and rice is around a tenner from Flamin' Mangal (try saying that in your best "Alf Stewart" voice)

[DulwichFox]

Sue Wrote:

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> Quoted?

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> Didn't they have a menu or price list you could

> have consulted before you ordered it?

I had an idea what the price should be. It was not ?9.00

Foxy.

[DulwichFox]

I AM talking about a Take Away.. Not a sit in.

Foxy

[Louisa]

That is indeed outrageously expensive for a small. Hence why I felt a little bit disappointed after my first experience. The meat is very nice though, can't argue that point.

Louisa.

[JohnL]

http://hisar-dulwich.com/takeaway/

It is 6.95 for a lamb kebab and 2.00 for chips takeaway.

Not that I consult the WWW before heading off from the pub :)

[DulwichFox]

JohnL Wrote:

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> http://hisar-dulwich.com/takeaway/

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> It is 6.95 for a lamb kebab and 2.00 for chips

> takeaway.

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> Not that I consult the WWW before heading off from

> the pub :)

Lamb is expensive.. Chicken is Cheap..

Fox

[KidKruger]

It's funny isn't it ?

We expect absolute quality in some takeaway foods - while insisting they are ridiculously cheap.

Probably a child could see how that may not work.

[edcam]

I have never found it to be too salty. Seabag must be a bit delicate.

fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> Seabag Wrote:

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> > Nope, it's been consistently salty every time

> I've been there.

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> Fair enough.. if it's not to your taste, it's not

> to your taste. Would be childish to argue the

> point.

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> (although I am quite childish, so if I go there

> again and disagree with your assessment, I might

> come back to argue the point)

[DulwichFox]

edcam Wrote:

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I have never found it to be too salty.

Seabag must be a bit delicate.

B/P = 190/110

Fox

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Lamb is expensive.. Chicken is Cheap..

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Well, chicken is cheap if you are happy to eat factory farmed birds. That's why the vast majority of ready meals are made with chicken.

Perhaps the chicken you were offered had actually had a decent free range life.

I will happily pay more for chicken if I know it is free range, otherwise I won't eat it unless I am really desperate.

[KrackersMaracas]

Sue Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

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> > Lamb is expensive.. Chicken is Cheap..

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> Well, chicken is cheap if you are happy to eat

> factory farmed birds. That's why the vast majority

> of ready meals are made with chicken.

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> Perhaps the chicken you were offered had actually

> had a decent free range life.

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> I will happily pay more for chicken if I know it

> is free range, otherwise I won't eat it unless I

> am really desperate.

Well said Sue!

The chicken at Hisar IS free range, and it says so very clearly on all their menus in the restaurant - take away or not!

[DulwichFox]

The term Free Range is virtually Meaningless.

There may be small holdings that rear a few chickens.

Free Range means that Chickens have access to the outside.

Often Thousands of chickens are housed in vast sheds with doors to the outside world.

However chickens tend to stay close to their source of food which is generally inside the sheds.

Many will stay inside all of their short lives 30 days to 6 months.

Do not confuse Free Range with Organic. Not all Free Range chickens are Organic.

Although Organic Chickens are more expensive, Free Range has very little baring on quality or price.

These chickens 16,000 of them are legally classified asFree Range.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/15/article-2508173-196418FF00000578-486_634x389.jpg

Source http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2508173/16-000-free-range-chickens-crammed-shed-NEVER-daylight.html

DulwichFox

[DulwichFox]

The term Free Range will make people feel better about themselves.

People that do not understand what the term means..

DulwichFox.

[KrackersMaracas]

Sometimes I can't figure out if you are real!

I understand what free range is: I have been to a free range farm. I have also been to a farm that kept caged hens, completely de-beaked. I try and make the choice, wherever possible, to eat free range meat. If I'm at home, I buy organic. Yes - it means my meat isn't cheap.... so I just eat less of it. I'd rather pay for a product that tastes better.

However I think we are getting away from the main point, which is that somewhere quoted you close to ?9 for free range chicken - which you maintain is a label that ordinarily has little bearing on price.

Just as a little test of that, I looked at Sainsbury's- their free range chicken breast fillet is priced at ?16.75 per kilo. Non free range? ?6.63. Organic, in case you wonder is ?19.50.

Edited - for grammar, spelling & unintentional curtness

[binkylilyput]

Yep, completely agree about this free range business. I find people can be quite smug in their assertions that "free range means nothing". Of course if you buy free range with the fantasy that the hens had acres of glorious meadow to roam in with 5* shelter then you have been very mislead.

Nevertheless free range chickens do have a better quality of life than the barbaric caged conditions that the cheap chickens have. Anyone who has worked in a restaurant or the catering industry knows the huge mutant chickens that can be bought for alarmingly cheap prices. Restaurants do have to pay more for free range and that will be reflected in their prices.

Even if the hen has slightly improved quality of life then that's worth paying a little extra for- and yes, that does make me feel better!

Good on Hisar (but I'm still not going there- I'll stick with FM Mangal for fish and vegetables!)

[Sue]

binkylilyput Wrote:

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> Even if the hen has slightly improved quality of

> life then that's worth paying a little extra for-

> and yes, that does make me feel better!

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Yes, and me.

Dulwich Fox, you post up all this stuff on here about cruelty to animals, such as circus animals, and yet it seems you willingly eat cheap factory farmed chicken.

Could you explain? You will happily eat birds which have been debeaked and kept in cages where they can hardly move?

Rather than chickens which can move about and have access to the outside if they want it?

Just because it's cheaper?

And please don't patronise. I used to live on an organic farm which raised (and still does) extremely well looked after cows and sheep. Their meat is sold in Sainsbury's, as it happens.

[robbin]

Anyone who by choice elects to eat battery farmed chicken or eggs, plainly does not care about animal welfare.

[DulwichFox]

I'm as guilty as the next man by eating chicken and meat that may not of been reared in perfect conditions.

BUT. big BUT I do not get all High and Mighty about only eating FREE Range produce when it is clear we are ALL

being conned by the term Free Range and what it actually.

If we eat out, NONE of us can be sure what we are eating.

Foxy

[robbin]

What's with all the random capitals mid-sentence?