Aircraft noise - have your say...

[fl0wer]

What is that weekly increase due to, then? - find us a link?

[*Bob*]

[fl0wer]

News => http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/17/heathrow-gatwick-airports-expansion

an update

[Dopamine1979]

I didn't understand that map you posted.

It went over my head.

[Sue]

Dopamine1979 Wrote:

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> I didn't understand that map you posted.

>

> It went over my head.

xxxxxxx

:)

[davidh]

aircraft noise every day from around 4am. no better or worse than it has been for years. as a chronic insomniac, I can be really definite about it.

[fabfor]

So, it looks like Heathrow or Gatwick; surprise, surprise!

For me, the elephant in the room is this: 24 HOUR FLIGHTS OVER LONDON!

But, there's always a silver lining and by the time Heathrow's expanded, I'll be either dead or deaf!

(p.s. I'm not a Boris fan but, for once, he's talking sense).

[keyhole]

Get earplugs,very little aircraft noise here.is this serious,,,,,can't be,someone winding people up.! Like it.

[Sue]

keyhole Wrote:

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> Get earplugs,very little aircraft noise here.

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Eh? Compared to - somewhere very near Heathrow, perhaps?

[fabfor]

keyhole Wrote:

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> Get earplugs,very little aircraft noise here.is

> this serious,,,,,can't be,someone winding people

> up.! Like it.

Juvenile Joker Alert! Ignore.

[fazer71]

keyhole Wrote:

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> Get earplugs,very little aircraft noise here.is

> this serious,,,,,can't be,someone winding people

> up.! Like it.

If you go to Dulwich Park all you'll hear is Jet after Jet screaming overhead this was never the case it?s a totally new phenomenon.

It's only been for the last 18 month previously they spread the flights, now all landings into Heathrow pass over and turn over East Dulwich and they do so at lower heights between 1,000 and 1,800 ft.

Landings begin from 4.15 depending.

I've tried earplugs "?150 made to measure in soft silicone sleep plugs" but after 5 hours they begin hurting and wake me up so they don't help.

Secondary and double glazing doesn't help because the Jets make a low level rumble "thunder" type noise and also screech thrust "whistle noise" and a combination of the two which drone those noises pass through walls roofs and all windows regardless.

Some people are not affected "bad hearing etc" others "like me" are driven insane.

As it's been an issue for the last 18 months many people haven't registered the change once you notice you will realise the problem is now constant unceasing and intrusive.

It?s the equivalent of suddenly finding yourself living next to or under a motorway except the noise created by Jet aircraft is impossible for many people to tolerate unlike motorway noise the volume and pitch created by jet engines affects people in a way which is impossible to ignore.

[fazer71]

*Bob* Wrote:

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> http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/file.php?5

> ,file=118185

Bob that's an image of the flights from 2012 when they began the narrowing and move south of the flights into Heathrow.

Try and find one from 2011 .... I'd be surprised if you can.

Heathrow have now concentrated every landing to the South where they previously concentrated the flights over the Thames.

Try find the radar results from 2007 - 2011 I can't .

The image for 2013 will be far far narrower and also the change in approach height isn't shown and that height has also dropped by 1,000 ft.

We're now totally F??$ED ..

[fazer71]

Boris has the right idea, only problem is I'll be dead by the time they build it.

Heathrow should just return to their pre 2012 flight paths until then.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2013/dec/17/boris-johnson-thames-estuary-airport-video

[*Bob*]

fazer71 Wrote:

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> Bob that's an image of the flights from 2012 when

> they began the narrowing and move south of the

> flights into Heathrow.

> Try and find one from 2011 .... I'd be surprised

> if you can.

Sure - here's the one from 2011

Do you have any data to support the claim of a material change in landing patterns over the last 18 months?

[ianr]

Here's a small amount of hard snapshot data from 2008. http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,151452,189304

[*Bob*]

Well done Ian - thanks for that.

Now we have some real data - we can make a comparison. So let's compare Ian's average morning 4.30 - 5.30 on Westerley operations in 2008 - to the Friday just gone in 2014, same time, Westerley operations again.

2008

4:30 4500 Avondale Rise 270

4:33 4400 Avondale 270

4:36 4400 Avondale 270

4:39 4300 Avondale 270

4:42 4200 Court Lane 285

4:51 4100 Burbage Rd 295

4:57 3700 Avondale Rise almost due west

5:00 3200 Jn, LL + ED Grove ~ 275

5:03 3800 Avondale 270

5:05 4500 Avondale 270

5:09 4500 Avondale 270

5:13 4000 Avondale 270

5:16 3900 Avondale 270

5:19 4500 Avondale 270

5:22 4300 Avondale 270

5:30 4400 Just s of Avondale ~ 270

2014

4.30 4400 Avondale

4.34 4500 Avondale

4.39 4500 Avondale

4.48 4500 Avondale

4.53 4500 Avondale

5.02 4200 Ondine

5.06 4100 Avondale

5.10 4100 Avondale

5.13 4200 Avondale

5.16 3000 Grove Park

5.19 4100 Avondale

5.23 3900 Avondale

5.25 4400 Avondale

5.28 4400 Avondale

Conclusion: flight landing patterns between 4.30 and 5.30am are have remained largely unchanged (both in terms of how many planes pass over and how low they fly) - over the last five years.

Now we just need the data for the other 23 hours of the day.. aren't 'the facts' fun?!

[El Pibe]

whilst bob seems spot on here (and by golly that map is interesting, right!! over my house) is there any decent data for city as they seem to bank over my house too and are much noisier.

I should add that aircraft noise has never bothered me at all, in fact I find it rather comforting.

I'll miss it :(

I'll miss the planes too

[*Bob*]

Pretty sure webtrak doesn't cover City (not yet, anyway) - but some other tracking system will no doubt. Flightradar24 should (I think?) and works in near realtime - though you'd need to buy the app to access extra features like flight altitudes, Millets raincoats, packed lunches and living at home with your Mother at the age of 40. Though we're on Westerleys today so no City incomings.

Personally - on days when I do feel they're intrusive - I find the Heathrow ones more annoying than the City ones (lower, steeper glide angle, shorter sound bursts) which I don't hardly mind at all for some reason. And I find it quite easy to forget about all of them for several weeks at a time - until this thread re-appears.

[KrackersMaracas]

I really enjoy reading your posts on this thread *Bob* - so thanks for the data, and the maps! I too only seem to notice the planes intermittently, and they don't ever bother me. That's not to say I love plane noise - whenever I am in putney it seems much worse.

[El Pibe]

The noise is a useful indicator as to what time my kids are waking me up in the morning. If they shout "DADDDDYYYY" and I can't hear any planes then it's a definite "GO BACK TO SLEEEEP".

If i can hear them but it's dark then they can get into bed with us and I can but hope that the whirring jets and basso rumble will soothe me to sleep.

The only time they're intrusive is in the summer with the balcony doors open, sometimes the telly needs to be pretty loud just to hear it.

[fazer71]

I can remember when concord used to fly over because it was the only jet aircraft you used to hear now every minute it sounds like concord is flying over. Weird if nothing has changed.!

[edcam]

Not true fazer, you could hear loads of them but perhaps then you weren't fixated on them.

[fabfor]

edcam Wrote:

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> Not true fazer, you could hear loads of them but

> perhaps then you weren't fixated on them.

Blame the victim - every time!

[edcam]

fabfor Wrote:

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> edcam Wrote:

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> > Not true fazer, you could hear loads of them

> but

> > perhaps then you weren't fixated on them.

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> Blame the victim - every time!

Well the number of posts fazed makes on this subject indicates how much of his thinking time this subject consumes.

[fazer71]

From HACAN

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/47098

""

Can I draw your attention to the HM Government e-petition website which offers a voice to campaigners wanting issues debated in Parliament. There is currently a Petition posted by Gabriel Hammond under the title "Quiet Sky At Night: Ban on Aircraft Noise at Night". It closes on 14/03/14 and needs 100,000 signatures to have effect. It currently has a frankly pathetic 20, including mine. Please add your signature ASAP. E-petitions "trend" according to popularity, so a significant "rush" will bring the topic to the attention of others. Has HACAN already tried this? ""

Remember these flights will only increase over time the future is quite bleak!

I know that there has been a huge increase in flights over East Dulwich in the last couple of years and the intensity has never been as bad as it is now.

Between contracts I'm at home in ED and I notice daytime flights are now constant and the early morning flights start at 4.30 am these aircraft fly low over London and cause misery to millions of people many are not aware exactly what it is that's causing them to have a poor nights sleep as other noise masks the Jet drone past 5am.

I you value quality of life then banning flight over London from 1am to 6am is a must.