Reserving car space with wheelie bins

[TheCat]

As many have said, its only really acceptable if its for a skip or a removal truck...and should be accompanied by a note. Most neighbors might be irked, but will begrudgingly acquiesce on these one-off occasions (knowing they would hope for the same when required). If its a regular thing, just to 'reserve' a spot, I would certainly be moving the bins and parking there....

On a related note...we have a few serial offenders on our road who choose to always park in spaces that would clearly fit two cars...such that only one car (their own) will fit...leaving 3-4 feet of space at front and rear......this infuriates me significantly more than the wheelie bins!!

[spider69]

jimlad48 wrote

"Given the utter nightmare of life in a non-CPZ street, I cannot recommend enough campaigning for a CPZ to make life more bearable for everyone who lives there. Anyone needing advice on how to start a CPZ campaign for East Dulwich, then please let me know - I helped lead the toastrack campaign and would be more than happy to help you campaign to make life quieter, safer and easier for you and your fellow residents."

What you do not mention is you campaigned, requested and got a full days CPZ not 11/1 which has been indicated we will have to accept even though we sit in the middle of existing area full of full day CPZ's. Overwhelming vote for a full CPZ was refused.

Please do not say a 2 hour CPZ will work as you do not have one.

What you do have are Cllr's that are better than what we has been landed with who do zip for residents getting a response would be nice.

I would like a full day CPZ just like you. I still have to pay the full cost of a permit for a mini CPZ.

[Captain Kernow]

eastdulwichhenry Wrote:

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> This is the new Zip Car Flex. Rather than having

> marked bays, the cars can just be picked up and

> left anywhere, and people track where they are

> using the app.

>

> And not only are they allowed to park in normal

> places, they can use permit-holder only areas as

> well. This is part of a deal several boroughs have

> done with ZipCar, and the councils support it

> because it notionally helps to reduce car

> ownership, by people effectively "pooling" their

> car use through the scheme. Bit of a nuisance for

> residents who have no driveway though.

Ah that would make sense, I did wonder what had changed. Great idea, just a pity they're taking up an increased number spaces- I wonder what Southwark will spend the kick backs on....

[ianr]

BikeChick Wrote:

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> I disagree. I feel like it is arrogant to assume

> you can reserve a spot. I have moved house

> multiple times in London and each time reserved a

> parking suspension in the normal way.

Do you mean a suspension of parking restrictions, as here ... https://www.southwark.gov.uk/parking/guide-to-parking/suspension-of-parking-bays? Is there any other provision? What of the situation where there is no parking bay that can be suspended and reserved?

[BillBobDee]

I actually regularly reserve the space outside my home on Nutbrook, I have 2 cars, so one I use to reserve the space, then when I return home with my main car(Burgandy Mercedes) I move my other car and park my Merc, I then move the other car somewhere else, simples!

[tomskip]

BikeChick Wrote:

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> I disagree. I feel like it is arrogant to assume

> you can reserve a spot. I have moved house

> multiple times in London and each time reserved a

> parking suspension in the normal way. For a skip I

> don?t think anyone is entitled to a skip outside

> their house! First come first served. If there

> were a polite note on the bins explaining the

> need, maybe... but otherwise sorrynotsorry !

What normal way is that then?

[flocker spotter]

I have a battered old car that just bumps the bins out of the way. this also serves as a deterrent to subsequent keying that these people seem to favour.

[jimlad48]

I do think people with the smaller CPZ dont get how much of a deterrent it will be - they've written it off before it starts, which is a shame.

[Louisa]

I don?t get why anyone would feel the need to park their vehicle outside someone else?s house, and potentially leave it there for days or weeks at a time. Often large vans which block out the light to a persons home too. It?s just pure ignorance.

I get that parking is at a premium, and if you live on nearby roads you often need to park your vehicle in places you wouldn?t normally because so few spaces are available near your own front door. But, there is absolutely no excuse for parking your vehicle outside someone else?s house for extended periods. It may not be illegal, but it is highly ignorant and confrontational.

Louisa.

[BikeChick]

If you are moving house you can apply to have a parking suspension, via th council

Wrote:

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> BikeChick Wrote:

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> > I disagree. I feel like it is arrogant to

> assume

> > you can reserve a spot. I have moved house

> > multiple times in London and each time reserved

> a

> > parking suspension in the normal way. For a skip

> I

> > don?t think anyone is entitled to a skip

> outside

> > their house! First come first served. If there

> > were a polite note on the bins explaining the

> > need, maybe... but otherwise sorrynotsorry !

>

> What normal way is that then?

[worldwiser]

Unfortunately BikeChick that isn't true. We tried this and the council even took our money. The sign they posted was duly ignored and enforcement wouldn't/couldn't do anything about it so our moving day was a disaster.

You can't suspend a space unless it already has restrictions, time or permit based, that can be rescinded. Open access public parking spaces cannot be suspended by anyone.

[jimlad48]

Louisa Wrote:

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> I don?t get why anyone would feel the need to park

> their vehicle outside someone else?s house, and

> potentially leave it there for days or weeks at a

> time. Often large vans which block out the light

> to a persons home too. It?s just pure ignorance.

>

> I get that parking is at a premium, and if you

> live on nearby roads you often need to park your

> vehicle in places you wouldn?t normally because so

> few spaces are available near your own front door.

> But, there is absolutely no excuse for parking

> your vehicle outside someone else?s house for

> extended periods. It may not be illegal, but it is

> highly ignorant and confrontational.

>

> Louisa.

We saw this a lot on the toastrack. A combination of a very local car repair business using free parking as a dumping ground for long term projects blocking up one street and other problems too. We saw builders leave their cars for 2-3 weeks during summer holidays, and heard of other people who used toastrack to park long term becasue they didnt want to pay parking charges in their part of London (often north of the river!). Add this to commutters as well and the only people that didnt seem to be able to park long term was the residents!

[Chick]

Yeh right.

BillBobDee Wrote:

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> I actually regularly reserve the space outside my

> home on Nutbrook, I have 2 cars, so one I use to

> reserve the space, then when I return home with my

> main car(Burgandy Mercedes) I move my other car

> and park my Merc, I then move the other car

> somewhere else, simples!

[TreacleRabbit]

Re reserving a space for the school or nursery run. If you have more than one child, it can be quite difficult to get them all from the car to the house, if the car has to be parked miles away, and not leave any child alone. It?s like one of those logic puzzles where you have a fox and a rabbit in a boat ....!

To save all that, bins in the road for 5mins, doesn?t seem so bad. It?s not really about that particular space, but being close enough to the house to get hem all in safely, where you can see etc

It can

[rendelharris]

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but do you mean you block off a space with bins while you go to pick up the kids to ensure you have a space where you want it when you get back? What if someone else with similar or greater needs to yours needs that space while you're away - for example someone dropping off a child in a wheelchair? Lots of people (including you) have perfectly valid reasons for wanting to reserve a space, but if everyone thought they had a right to reserve their space with bins it'd be chaos. Whose needs are greater? How long is it reasonable to reserve a space? Surely the fairest system is for everyone to take their chances, and if sometimes we don't get what we want that's the luck of the draw.

Just anecdotally, my little sister (a far better person than me, shock) has multiple sclerosis and a blue badge for her car. She's been told she's entitled to a reserved parking space outside her house, but she refuses to accept it as parking is very tight on her road and she doesn't want to be selfish.

[Angelina]

Does it really matter, in the scheme of things?

If a parent takes the kids to school and then can't park near their home because of people (who probably) drive into the area and park their cars all day so they can get the train to work, is that more acceptable than that parent trying to keep a space open? It then makes me think that there is probably a space nearby as the roads are not all full by all means, so it suggests a bit of entitlement which always annoys everyone, as it's just plain selfish.

Maybe the driver is unable to walk far or has a baby or other reason they think this is ok.

WE don't really know, but we do like to jump to conclusions, don't we.

And as for skips - would we really begrudge our neighbor the ease of having a skip outside rather than trundling all their stuff up the road?

Nice community spirit.

[rendelharris]

No it doesn't really matter in the greater scheme of things, but it happens to be being discussed, so...

You rather make my point - nobody blocking off a space can know the needs of other people who might need that space, so I just think it's fairest for nobody to do it.

Skips are an entirely different matter, they're licensed by the council.

[worldwiser]

What I think is undeniable is that people who actually live on a particular street should get higher priority than commuters, shoppers, long-term hoggers and estate agents. There are already provisions for those with disabilities both with dedicated spaces and more lenient rules for other parking spaces. The only way to ensure local people get spaces near their homes is a CPZ. How saying that has become so controversial is hard to understand - it works absolutely everywhere else.

[Captain Kernow]

worldwiser Wrote:

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> What I think is undeniable is that people who

> actually live on a particular street should get

> higher priority than commuters, shoppers,

> long-term hoggers and estate agents. There are

> already provisions for those with disabilities

> both with dedicated spaces and more lenient rules

> for other parking spaces. The only way to ensure

> local people get spaces near their homes is a CPZ.

> How saying that has become so controversial is

> hard to understand - it works absolutely

> everywhere else.

Pretty fair point i think, we seem to have had a Jag sat outside our house for around 3 weeks now. Slightly annoying for us, but I'm sure more annoying for our neighbours with kids as the way it's parked means they can't fit their car in the usual space either as it's so big.

[jimlad48]

Once cars get abandoned on a street for more than a week, its always worth running a quick check on the DVLA database to check they are insured. If not you can report them to DVLA and they'll take action. We found a lot of cars left for ages had their insurance/MOT lapse and had been dumped.

[Captain Kernow]

jimlad48 Wrote:

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> Once cars get abandoned on a street for more than

> a week, its always worth running a quick check on

> the DVLA database to check they are insured. If

> not you can report them to DVLA and they'll take

> action. We found a lot of cars left for ages had

> their insurance/MOT lapse and had been dumped.

Ah, good to know thanks!

[Earl Aelfheah]

worldwiser Wrote:

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> What I think is undeniable is that people who

> actually live on a particular street should get

> higher priority than commuters, shoppers,

> long-term hoggers and estate agents. There are

> already provisions for those with disabilities

> both with dedicated spaces and more lenient rules

> for other parking spaces. The only way to ensure

> local people get spaces near their homes is a CPZ.

> How saying that has become so controversial is

> hard to understand - it works absolutely

> everywhere else.

I think it's a public highway and there is little point in cars if you stop them being able to drive anywhere.

This idea that people have some special, exclusive right to the road outside their house is ridiculous, but has been encouraged by Councils pushing CPZs. It's effectively yet more privatisation of previously public / communal space.

[Earl Aelfheah]

What is really annoying is people who take up two spaces by parking 6 foot from the car behind.

[Earl Aelfheah]

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[Pugwash]

We have a drop down kerb as we can keep our car in our front garden. Cannot count the times that I have gone to drive somewhere and found that someone has blocked me in. Our old neighbour used to do this and would always move the car if I wanted to get out so did not mind him. We are near a school, a hostel and a church and at various times of the day and evening I will find a driverless car parked outside sometimes for nearly an hour.