Jump to content

Riots in Tottenham......


DJKillaQueen

Recommended Posts

This is not directly relevant but quite interesting:


Total deaths in police custody or otherwise following contact with the police, England & Wales 1990-date

Type Metropolitan Police Other forces Total

Custody 248 689 937

Pursuit 32 278 310

RTI 19 90 109

Shooting 20 32 52

All deaths 319 1089 1408



Source: http://inquest.gn.apc.org/website/statistics/deaths-in-police-custody

Link to comment
Share on other sites

That data is a bit misrepresentative, and one might say inflammatory?


This is a better way of presenting the data which demonstrates a police force making incredible inroads into effectively managing incidents:


http://inquest.gn.apc.org/graphs/deaths_in_police_custody.gif


In fact deaths in police custody are lower now than as far back as the records go.


This isn't going to become a thread where people make inflamatory claims and others have to set them right is it?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

No Lady Delilah, that's crazy.


You've deliberately chosen shootings where the figures are so small they are meaningless.


Those figures are just about the criminals, not about police behvaiour or policy.


Why are you deliberately trying to inflame the situation and make misleading claims?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Otta Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> So, because one arsehole policeman got heavy

> handed at a protest, and someone lost their life,

> ALL police just be thugs.

>

> I assume then that you believe ALL black boys a

> knife carrying thugs, and ALL footy fans like a

> fight, and ALL scoucers are thieves?



i think it takes a specil type of personn to be a policeman and that poersonn is likly to be a thug

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Not true at at Richardbach. What a stupid thing to say.


I'm not the biggest fan of police myself and I do think some are in way too much for the power but I wouldn't call them thugs at all. There are some decent ones out there. I have no sympathy for a drug dealing gun toting idiot.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

One of my good pals is a police officer, and through him, I've met qite a few. I admit, that for the most part, they're not my kind of people, and some of them are just plain thick. A couple have even said "I'm in it for the action, which made me laugh.


However, that doesn't mean that they're all blood thirsty nut jobs who can't wait to gun people down, or beat them to death in a cell.


I'm not a big fan of the police, I don't like how they do a lot of things, and I believe that they watch out for each other, and cover things up. HOWEVER, I don't think they're rotten to the core, and I suspect that when the details of this incident come out, they will show that they had little choice but to put this guy down.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Alan Medic Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> SpaghettiSue40 Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Now you are both being silly, but surely there

> > must be an instant 'bullet' that isnt fatal.

> Any

> > scientists or inventors out there?

>

> In Australia they are working on a rifle that

> fires a venomous snake at speed. In tests the

> snake will bite the target 99 out of 100 times.

> Once incapaciated, which takes a couple of

> seconds, the aggressor can be given the antidote

> to the snake's poison to ensure death does not

> occur. It should be in use soon.

> BTW No harm comes to the creature



Ah yes the Viper Sniper, often used in conjunction with the Quokka Stoppa, a bazooka-like weapon which fires this small marsupial at locked doors etc. to gain entry.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

richardbach Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Otta Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > So, because one arsehole policeman got heavy

> > handed at a protest, and someone lost their

> life,

> > ALL police just be thugs.

> >

> > I assume then that you believe ALL black boys a

> > knife carrying thugs, and ALL footy fans like a

> > fight, and ALL scoucers are thieves?

>

>

> i think it takes a specil type of personn to be a

> policeman and that poersonn is likly to be a thug


Richard, I'm sure that's not your name as you can't spell. Is it Ratbag?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Try a post about the effects of soft cheeses on rioting youth and see how he/she/it responds - on second thought don't; someone else is bound to find a corollary (Huge stop wiki-ing 'Roquefort Riots and the Brie Brouhaha').
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Don't get me started.


Gastric infection, lactose intolerance all serve to make the average North Londoner highly irritable.


Despite boycotts of retailers selling non-aged cheese, there's a massive and violent underground network controlling supplies and milking the profits.


Profits are so large that they've been known to be worth killing for... It's a powder keg I tell you.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Huguenot Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Don't get me started.

>

> Gastric infection, lactose intolerance all serve

> to make the average North Londoner highly

> irritable.

>

> Despite boycotts of retailers selling non-aged

> cheese, there's a massive and violent underground

> network controlling supplies and milking the

> profits.

>


Which they presumably make into the highly sought after but illegal 'conflict cheese'.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

At the end of the day a bad man on London's street has been taken off them after being found in possession of a gun.


1) why has he got a gun?

2) what's he intending to do with it?


Whatever happens, hats off to the police officer that made that decision to fire. If it wasn't for these brave cops people like Gangster Mark Duggan would be walking around the streets causing pain and grief to other families with the gun he carries.


Even if he didn't fire first and pointed the gun at the officers they are well within all their rights to pull the trigger and shoot him. "Common Law" - Sect 3 Criminal Law Act

You cant expect an armed cop to wait around all day telling an armed and dangerous man to put the gun down while it is pointing at him.

At the end of the day the officers have the right to go home to there families etc like the rest of us after doing our job.


I feel whatever the police do they are always blamed in one way and never really praised. Incidents were armed criminals are taken of the streets occur daily by our armed police and only in a few cases are shots fired. When was the last one...2008 was it in Chelsea. 3 years with no deaths!


Next we will being moaning about our soldiers firing at the Taliban and killing them. It's exactly the same. if they point an Ak47 at you, you will want the soldier to pull the trigger first and kill them before he dies!


Also lets not have any more stupid questions about why police didn't shoot him in the leg, arm etc....Grow up.


Live by the sword die by sword!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • Well worth signing up to become a "supporter" as they send their updates and often shed light on things the council and their supporters would rather didn't get too much attention! https://www.onedulwich.uk/get-involved
    • Spot on...and they rant against "anonymous" groups like One Dulwich and then post missives from "anonymous" lobby groups like Clean Air Dulwich without any sense of hypocrisy or irony...
    • The original council proposals for the area around the Dulwich cross roads were made well before Covid - and were rejected then by locals. The council used the Covid legislation to push through the LTNs when opposition was not allowed. LTNs, as experiments were some good (reduced traffic in areas which did not push traffic elsewhere and which did meet the needs of residents - typically in places very well served by public transport and where the topology (absence e.g. of hills) allowed wide use of cycling and walking - not as it happens a good description of the Dulwich (inc ED, WD and ND) areas.)  Dulwich never met Southwark's own description of ideal LTN areas, but did happen to match Southwark Councillor ambitions dating way back. One Dulwich has been clear, I believe that it is anti this LTN but not, necessarily all LTNs per se. But as it is One Dulwich is has not stated views about LTNs in general. In the main those prepared to make a view known, in Dulwich, have not supported the Council's LTN ambitions locally - whilst some, living in the LTN area, have gained personal benefit. But it would appear not even a majority of those living in the LTN area have supported the LTN. And certainly not those living immediately outside the area where traffic has worsened. As a resident of Underhill, a remaining access route to the South Circular, I can confirm that I am suffering increased traffic and blockages in rush hours whilst living some way away from the LTN. All this - 'I want to name the guilty parties' -' is One Dulwich a secret fascists cabal whose only interest is being anti-Labour?' conspiracy theorising is frankly irrelevant - whoever they are they seem to represent feelings of a majority of actual residents either in the LTNs, or in parts of Dulwich impacted by the LTNs. And I'm beginning to find these 'Answer me this...' tirades frankly irritating.
    • Ok here goes.....   Since day 1 of the LTNs the emergency services have been very clear - blocked roads increase response times. Southwark councillors were more than aware of this from the beginning of the LTN debacle during Covid because, when the council were going LTN mad and were trying to carpet bomb them everywhere they had suggested one for Peckham Rye and had initiated a consultation. As usual they took glowing endorsements of their proposal to close parts of Peckham Rye from the cycle lobby but got negative feedback from TFL and the emergency services due to the disruption their physical closure barriers were going to have - the emergency services made their preference clear that they do not like physical barriers. Needless to say Southwark ignored that emergency service input and pushed ahead with their plans only to cancel them when the realised LTNs were turning residents against them.   Now the video below (from March 2021) is interesting from a couple of perspectives: 1) Clearly LAS were making their feelings on permanent closures very clear to Southwark - please scroll to 1 hour 4 minutes to hear from them - 51 of the 170 delays caused by LTNs in London were in Southwark - yet it took over a year for emergency vehicles to be given access and, if I remember correctly FOIs showed that LAS had been writing to Dale Foden and the council alerting them to the delays. So why the delay and why is there a constant narrative from local lobby groups that the junction has to be closed to ALL traffic (including emergency vehicles) and why the new designs return to a partial full closure of the junction - most rational and pragmatic people can surely see that the compromise installed in 2022 to allow emergency vehicle access was the most sensible approach.   The council put the desires of local lobby groups ahead of the emergency services...which is madness...and then that leads us to point 2)....   2) Notice the presence of Jeremy Leach on the call - not a councillor but the Co-Optee of the council's environmental scrutiny committee and he is constantly pushing the councillors to do more to deal with traffic issues and reduce traffic. I suspect he is deemed one of the "expert" voices the council was turning to for guidance at this period. But, much like the activist researchers the council turned to Jeremy is very much an "activist expert" and was chair of the London Living Streets, co-founder of Action Vision Zero and part of Southwark Cyclists - so you can see why if the council was taking guidance and direction from him how they may have not been making decisions in the public interest. Clearly someone has convinced the council that the junction needs to be closed to all vehicles as there cannot be any other explanation for why they held out for so long (that created increased response times) - remember they are wasting another £1.5m to close one arm of the roads permanently again - honestly if someone wants to enlighten me to a part of this story I am missing then feel free but to me it looks like something very odd has been going on at the DV junction and the council is ignoring the majority and listening to the few...   https://lrscconference.org.uk/index.php/agenda-speakers/jeremy-leach-co-founder-action-vision-zero/     No it was 64% of the total who lived in the consultation area - 57% when the council looked at all the respondents to the consultation.   3,162 (64%) wanted it returned to its original state 823 (17%) wanted it retained as was 422 (8%) wanted a different measure installed 564 (11%) wanted the measure, but modify/ enhance it with other features   So back then the 11% got their wish!   In every consultation in relation to the DV junction there has been overwhelming rejection of the council's plans by local residents - yet they carry-on wasting our money on it regardless - just who are they trying to placate?
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...