Shop boarding

[Claire E]

Only in east dulwich would an organic butchers feel the need to board up their shop today! What are they going to loot- pork chops? Really? I'm biased being a Veggi- but something tells me the ave East dulwich resident won't suddenly rise up in protest at the long queues they choose to endure every week like the communist times - and the ave hoodie nutter is not going to prioritise organically produced grouse on their looting shopping list whilst surely knowing there is no cash left overnight. Meanwhile Mrs Robinson with some really lovely vv expensive goods is totally on display on a corner plot with no shutters.. No trainers or mobiles i guess.. But still big glass windows.. Am I losing the plot? I would have thought a certain well known business further down the lane with the biggest windows ever would have been feeling more nervous than the much loved purveyors of finely sourced meat lol..

[Damian H]

I agree that you can guess the type of identity of those responsible by the fact that in Clapham Junction the JD Sports and Footlocker were looted. I doubt that Austin Reed was much harrassed.

Mind you, they did burn out the fancy dress hire shop.

[Claire E]

Not before they'd nicked the power ranger outfits to play with when they got home I bet.. seriously..?

[Damian H]

It was on the tv. It went up in smoke. I was very sad, it was where I hired my Jack the Ripper outfit some years ago. Believe me, I know all about going out to 'clean up the streets'.

[Loz]

I assume all the shops boarded up, even the veggie shops. It wasn't so much looting, but that they seems to like smashing windows and setting fire to things. I doubt anyone made off with a three-piece suite before torching that furniture store in Croydon.

[Claire E]

That's very true - I'm glad to hear they caught the guy who did that - I hope they make him stand in front of the Reeves family in court one day and look them in the eye, it's been there for 100 years+ in their family, they are totally destroyed.

[Applespider]

They went for the fancy dress shop to get masks. Again, it suggests non-locals since a colleague who lives nearby tells me that shop donates part of its profits to local kids' charities.

Equally telling was that the Waterstones wasn't touched. Now, if it had truly been a protest against the rich and government, surely burning books would have been a more potent symbol than brandishing a pair of trainers.

[niki_nje]

I don't think they care about the shops they trash. They smashed up a hairdresser's shop in Brixton for no reason. And the buses have had nothing to steal.

I think if the butchers did get looted perhaps we would know it was ED residents rather than kids, after their tasty steaks for dinner!

[peterstorm1985]

Applespider Wrote:

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> Now, if it had truly been a protest

> against the rich and government, surely burning

> books would have been a more potent symbol than

> brandishing a pair of trainers.

If there was even a vague connection with a protest against the rich and government they'd have targeted financial institutions - I've heard so much in the last few days about the evil bankers as some sort of excuse - but no, it all seems to be shops that are owned or run by people who've worked really hard to get something decent in life. It's as if it's an orchestrated attempt to stop anyone bettering themselves. Am I the only one to think that someone somewhere has a list of all the regeneration areas and is ticking them off?

[charliebrown]

Claire E do you own a business?

It's precautionary measures against mindless scum bag opportunists who take pleasure in smashing windows and setting fire to properties. There are flats above William Rose where people live.

Have you not been watching the news?

This bloody forum sometimes shows peoples ignorance and peoples boredom, fancy starting a thread like this.

[Mrs TP]

The only poverty the robbing scum have is a poverty of brain function. They all have Blackberries and the latest trainers. Real poverty is wondering when your next meal will be and not whether you should smash and grab some KFC or Greggs.

[i*Rate]

peterstorm 1985,

These 'riots' reminded me of some drama/documentary or other that was on TV a while ago which put forward the idea that all the govenment needed to do was send in more police to quell trouble amongst the poor of the country to ensure that the rich were protected. That's effectively what's happened now and I am very upset that the poor and Working Class communities have now damaged their own areas - a very, very sad thing.

I was one of the lucky Working Class people that got a decent education under a real Left Wing government in the 1960s and managed to make a good life for myself and my family. Those principles were damaged by Thatcher and finally destroyed by New Labour and, it has been proven, the gap between the rich and poor has grown significantly over the last twenty years.

As for the 'solid moral society' that we live in; look at the bankers, politicians, Police, pop stars, businessmen and sports personallities and notice the greed, tax-dodging, corruption, dishonesty and immorality amongst them.

These are the Role Models today and who's in charge The Ruling Class, like they always were.

Poer to the people! I rest my case.

[ratty]

Claire E Wrote:

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> Only in east dulwich would an organic butchers

> feel the need to board up their shop today! What

> are they going to loot- pork chops? Really? I'm

> biased being a Veggi- but something tells me the

> ave East dulwich resident won't suddenly rise up

> in protest at the long queues they choose to

> endure every week like the communist times - and

> the ave hoodie nutter is not going to prioritise

> organically produced grouse on their looting

> shopping list whilst surely knowing there is no

> cash left overnight. Meanwhile Mrs Robinson with

> some really lovely vv expensive goods is totally

> on display on a corner plot with no shutters.. No

> trainers or mobiles i guess.. But still big glass

> windows.. Am I losing the plot? I would have

> thought a certain well known business further down

> the lane with the biggest windows ever would have

> been feeling more nervous than the much loved

> purveyors of finely sourced meat lol..

There are some nasty looking knives stored in there which I would not be keen on any rioters / looters / a-holes getting their hands on them

[Jeremy]

Mrs TP Wrote:

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> They all have Blackberries and the latest trainers.

Well... they do now.

[Dulwichmudlark]

Could not imagine there are menu under Privalged kids in east dulwich to worry about

[Jeremy]

There are all sorts of people living in East Dulwich and the surrounding areas.

[Loz]

i*Rate Wrote:

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> I was one of the lucky Working Class people that

> got a decent education under a real Left Wing

> government in the 1960s and managed to make a good

> life for myself and my family. Those principles

> were damaged by Thatcher and finally destroyed by

> New Labour and, it has been proven, the gap

> between the rich and poor has grown significantly

> over the last twenty years.

Interesting. How do you see that those education principles have been damaged and destroyed over the years, given that there has been such a push for school leavers to move forward into higher education? I would have though it could be argued that education has become more accessible in that time.

[i*Rate]

Loz,

My reply to you is that when I was young, apart from their being many apprentiships available, I chose to go to Art college to study design. I got a small grant to live on and the college fees paid, based on my parent's (low) combined income.

Fast forward to my children's teenage years; they just got loans to pay university fees and I helped them with everyday expenses when they could'nt find some work in the holidays. Those fees have taken many years to pay back.

Now, ?9,000/annum university fees, very few part-time jobs, high rents and little affordable accommodation and at the end of it big debts and a good job?

Yes, there may be more higher education available now, but for the better off.

Don't forget the statistics for families judged to be living in poverty in this country, not much progress there to be proud of.

Still, let's see what brilliant ideas the 'Oxbridge Trio' come up with in these difficult times, after all they've all had great education and worked their way up from humble beginnings - Ha,Ha,Ha.

I do hope that this is a reasonably, argued point of view given my higher education qualifications 'A' Level metalwork and London Certificate of Art & Design.

It was great, though, to see local people getting together to clear up - The Blitz Spirit (before my time).

Cheers.

[maxxi]

Claire E Wrote:

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>... the ave hoodie nutter is not going to prioritise

> organically produced grouse on their looting

> shopping list whilst surely knowing there is no

> cash left overnight.

Nobody said they were smart - the Pharmacy that had its window smashed was not looted (apart from few bottles of aftershave, some pampers and nail polish that ended up strewn around outside) but those that broke in DID take the till and took it around the back of the shops to smash open with a brick; so it looks like anywhere with a till would at least be considered.

[Ridgley]

Too be fair some of the looters were caught on camera nicking Basmati rice anything goes.

[Damian H]

Apparently Superdrug have said that the products most looted were men's fragrances and hair products. What does this imply? That they were being stolen to order for resale by those who were using the riots for stealing items for resale. In other words, as has been said, nothing to do with social justice just plain organised criminality.

[katie1997]

and the ave hoodie nutter is not going to prioritise organically produced grouse on their looting shopping list

The Glorious 12th has arrived so I guess they could now. Perhaps they should be trained up as beaters for a shoot and put themselves to some use.

Going back to the thread, I don't think any ED shop is safe. Look at the expensive baby clothes shop and organic wholefoods place in Ealing that were smashed up.

[Damian H]

Absolutely right Katie, and as I pointed out elsewhere some of those up in court for offencs in Croydon were charged with stealing food from Munchies Bakery!

And who says the only threat is to shops which stock goods people want? Reeves furniture was burnt to the ground because it was there, not because anyone planned to make off with a three piece suite.