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Cross posted with a few posts, and yes LFC as a club could have handled it better, although if their colleague was swearing he was innocent, and they had no reason to believe he was like that, then I guess they felt they were doing the right thing sticking up for their friend / colleague.


Liverpool and victim complex... When I lived there, I met plenty of people who would tell you the whole world was against the scoucers. That is only my experience, and doesn't prove anything, but yeah, possibly.


UDT, I think SJ's post was aimed at me not you.


And yes, a few racist morons who support Liverpool probably have thrived on this situation, but I hope is is a very small minority.



Anyway, I enjoyed the match, and am pleased with the result.

Otta, zero mention of the club's part in this. the conscience of the club and its supporters was pricked and they went down the defensive, siege mentality route. didn't convince anyone, not even themselves probably.


Quids, cheap dig. I'd wager at least 50 % of those booing weren't from Liverpool, knowing nothing of the 'jobs and houses' rants of the 80s (to which I believe you are alluding). as mentioned in this thread, this could be any club, the key fact here is that Daglish is idolised by lfc fans, whatever he says goes and they went with it.

Otta Wrote:

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> UDT, I think SJ's post was aimed at me not you.

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If that's the case, I hope my subsequent post have clarified my view that the shocking booing of Evra by mindless fans was, in effect, condoning racism and not, as SJ thought, that booing was acceptable.

Otta Wrote:

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> 1. I don't think SJ thought the booing was

> acceptable.


To clarify: SJ questioned whether booing of Evra was okay and in my view it was never okay to boo him.


> 2. I don't think that the booing from the majority

> of the fans was condoning racism.


All I said was that the booing of Evra was done by mindless fans. Now are you saying that all Liverpool fans are mindless?

When did I blame it on the victim complex?


Quids mentioned it, and I said when I lived there (well after the 80s) I knew a fair few people who did feel that it was scoucers against the world. I then said that proved nothing, but "yeah possibly".


If you're going to call me an idiot, at least be correct in what you're accusing me of.

No.


Slightly would mean it was definitely a part of the cause.


Possibly would mean that it could be.


It is not intended as a dig at people from Liverpool, a town where many good people were very good to me. It was an acknowledgement that I had come across that outlook from several people.

On a cold day with no Rooney, Ronaldo, Nani or Gary Neville bad boy Evra was always going to kop it for managing to walk away scot-free from the Suarez bust-up in October. It seems that Evra making derogatory remarks about Suarez's origin (and his own racial abuse of Chelsea players) is something that those on their high horses would prefer to ignore.

Abusing other players is seen as part and parcel


But abusing black players about the colour of their skin isn't


What the fook is so hard to understand about that


Their is a weight of history against black people that just... Doesn't... Exist.. For other people in the same way. Maybe Jewish people. Calling someone south American just has no impact. There aren't discussions in pubs of south london about the farking south Americans. And there aren't south Americans getting abused daily



Your Liverpool bias is embarrassing Matthew. That club and that manager have ha a car crash over this episode.



I'll happily take them into account if you tell me what they were? You don't mean he supposedly called Suarez a South American do you? Have you read the FA report. There's quite a lot of detail in it. Being called South American was a red herring. You can't seriously have believed that can you?


Abusing other players is seen as part and parcel


But abusing black players about the colour of their skin isn't



Exactly!


If John Terry calls Anton Ferdinand a blind c u next Tuesday - part and parcel. If he calls him a black c u next Tuesday - it's vile, disgusting, he needs to be banned and stripped of the England/Chelsea captaincy etc.

I still can't believe "King Kenny" tried to explain away the booing as banter. Sorry, you've gone down in my estimation. That's like saying the disgraceful chants about Liverpool fans being murderers and opposition fans singing sickening taunts about the Munich air disaster, or more recently Chelsea "fans" chanting "you know what you are" at Anton Ferdinand, are just banter. Come on your highness, who are you trying to kid.

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