Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Chippy Minton Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> I don't believe I have taken it out of context - I

> find your "naughty children" comparison offensive.


I think you are just really, really trying to be offended.


> Yes, I would deprive the EDL of their "right" to march through Tower Hamlets not because I don't

> believe in human right..


If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all.

-Noam Chomsky

What crime is the EDL guilty of? Because, you know, if it is really inciting racial hatred etc as claimed, there are laws to deal with it already. You don't ban the march. You let it go ahead and, if a law is broken, you swoop down on the perpetrator. Isn't that policing?!

This is a dangerous precedent. I think the views of the EDL are abhorrent but they have a right to express them. Banning marches will not make the problem go away, it will make their supporters feel like resentful martyrs and give th legitimate cause for complaint.


Also it allows the government licence to ban any marches which oppose government policy or on issues they don't like. This is a step closer to totalitarianism and with the impending economic crises and subsequent social fallout, does not bode well.

here are their views


"If you, like us, are fed up and sick to the back teeth of Islamic Extremism in the UK, then sign up and join the struggle with the English Defence League and start protesting peacefully with us today."


........apparently they are opposing suicide bombing on the london underground, the fact they are borne out of the Luton MIGS and have a mixed race group of hooligans behind them, how exactly are their views abhorrent ?


They may be a problem for the export of liberal capitalism but outside of that cultural destructive locust what's abhorrent ?


Personally shooting your own elected prime minister because he is too left is abhorrent, the extremist's within Islam would have supported that...funny world of blinkered twits we live amongst.


NB : Yitzhak Rabin

They're a nasty, violent bunch of right-wing extremists. If you don't think that's a problem, you're either stupid, or your own views are abhorrent.


Of course it's a problem - the question is how to tackle them. To what extent in a democracy is it right to stifle opinions, however objectionable?


Let them wither in the sunlight of contempt, rational argument and humour - don't persecute them into a martyr complex.

Loz wrote

-----------------------------------------

Then I hope you would not be too shocked when the same legislation is used to ban your next union march. Or whatever cause you back.


Because history tells us that is what will happen.


Also, chippy - I really hope you do not claim to be a supporter of human rights and free speech.


There some interesting points, but I have to agree with Loz on some of his points if we start to ban anything we don?t like then there will be legislation for the coalition to ban any matches regardless. I think the best thing to with EDL is to have there leader on Question Time like they did with Nick Griffin and this will show them up for what they really are a bunch of racist nutters with no foundation.

I'm not happy with the idea of people trying to push Muslim values onto the non-Muslim population. But I don't believe this is at all common, even in Tower Hamlets. And I'm certainly not comfortable with this event being used as ammunition by a bunch of lowlife thugs such as the EDL.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • That's great you have the cat! Sorry to interfere, and feel free to ignore this, but it might not be a great idea to post your mobile number on a public forum? You can message the owner on the forum via a private message.
    • Copleston centre hire for adult parties 
    • Most churches rent out halls for children's' parties but rarely adult parties, Christ Church only does afternoon parties,   The East Dulwich Community centre hires out halls to 9 pm only and all music needs to be on a sound restrictor as is in a residential area. St Johns with St Clements have a small hall but not sure if they allow adult parties. Nunhead Green has a newish community centre with a couple of different size halls. Most places seem to charge around £40 ph  with a deposit of £100/200 (returned if no damage or excess cleaning needed.
    • Hello, Recently there have been various comments made on the forum which have resulted in heated discussions being had. I for one, hold up my hand and wanted to personally thank whoever is keeping the forum going.. remember when it was likely to close. We are all adults and should known when it is right to continue or just ignore or if really feel it necessary comment via pm. I have had a long relationship with the forum and have bought, sold, offered advice and in deed made friends on the forum over the years. It is a public forum after all and everyone is entitled to express their opinion and is also free. I am not as tech minded as most but with the season of good will approaching and-knowing in this economic climate how many people are  struggling, I  thought it would be a lovely idea, to perhaps set up a just giving page to raise funds for a local charity who might appreciate a contribution towards their Christmas festivities… On a practical side, might just be to complicated to administer as I am sure all have charities that we support so my other thought was not me, as I am useless but to set up a just giving page and whatever monies are raised, perhaps contribute to the festivities that use to be run by local shops or whatever.. Maybe even use a local church hall and just make it special for perhaps folk that find it difficult to access events or no access for say wheel chair users.. guess really, one is looking for guidance from the church and of course volunteers. Shoot me down if you must or feel the need but this is my view and no, sadly I won’t be around in the months before Christmas but can help remotely.      
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...