To black guy in a black car (Dunstans Road, 5/9/11 6:20am)

[RosieH]

Ignore Huguenot!

What you wear is never an excuse for violence (especially H, when you say, "dress in such away that you affiliate yourself with a far-right white supremacist group" I would query whether you have ever walked down Old Compton Street, or seen a Communards video?)

Make like the slutwalkers!

Skinwalk!

[Huguenot]

I didn't say it was an excuse for violence.

In fact I don't think anything is an excuse for violence - perhaps except for self-defence.

I'm just saying that we commincate an entire dictionary of things about ourselves by our dress style, and we shouldn't be surprised when we send out mixed messages that there are stupid people in the world that interpret that as an opportunity for direct action.

"I don't know why people think I'm a far right white supremacist when I dress like a far right white supremacist"

Kinda daft no?

[RosieH]

Sorry dollface, just messin' with ya.

This is an excuse for violence. Burn down TopMan.

Otherwise I accept your point.

[NowAndHere]

@hugenot

1. actually traditional skinheads have nothing to do with racism or far-right white supremacist, how could they be racist if this subculture emerged from mix of british mods and jamaican rude boys and if there were/are white skinheads but black ones as well? far-right groups just hijacked their style, I suggest you googling for "s.h.a.r.p", you can see what skinheads think about neo-nazis.

[ UPDATE ==> google for "s.h.a.r.p. skinheads" if you don't want to delve through adverts of sharp electronics ]

anyway, i am not skinhead, it's just to explain...

2. being white supremacist has nothing to do with style, it's not about any fashion, it's about having shit instead brain

3. if you think that clothes can justify abusive/aggresive behaviour towards person wearing them, let me know, please, what are you wearing today, I am sure that i can find some kind of reason to dislike you and i understand that being as good as your word you will understand and think that's allright and normal?

[Moos]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> No, no - I'm not a fan of fighting at all.

>

> I'm just thinking that moaning about people

> attacking someone for their attire is a bit wood

> for trees.

Sorry, it's taken me a long time to reply and meanwhile NowandHere has come back and is aggrieved that you suggested his hair "affiliated him" with far-right nutjobs. Which you can't be surprised by. So that is what I meant when I suggested you enjoy fighting, it was rather provocative. He wasn't wearing a T-shirt saying I Love The EDL, he just has short hair.

[northlondoner]

NowAndHere seems to be the only person on here who knows the correct spelling of the phrase "all right". Most posters seem to think it is just one word viz alright. It ain't .

[Jeremy]

NowAndHere Wrote:

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> this subculture emerged

> from mix of british mods and jamaican rude boys

> and if there were/are white skinheads but black

> ones as well? far-right groups just hijacked their

> style

I was going to post something similar, but assumed most people on here already knew the history.

Although I still take H's point in a way. There are some morons around who are always going to make the association between skinheads and neo-nazis, and there's an easy way to distance yourself from it...

[NowAndHere]

@Jeremy, when I started this thread i was upset, i moved on before i read first answers. just later i had to read posts that i am racist (because i described color of a car as black ;-) ) or that i called this guy racist (when i didn't) or that i deserved being dressed in some particular way. what's better than proving that you're not a camel ;-)

[Jeremy]

Unfortunately some people on this forum are rather self-righteous, and will jump at the chance to accuse someone of racism - such nonsense has been directed at me more than once. I suggest you ignore it.

I've had a few skinhead friends over the years (mainly through the ska and reggae scene), so I think I know where you're coming from. I'm not actually suggesting that you should change your appearance, I was just saying that Huguenot's point is logical.

[DJKillaQueen]

Welcome to the forum NowAndHere....any kind of debate on it isn't for the faint hearted I'm afraid. Jeremy is right, it's just a forum and as much as some like the sound of their own words (and I've had my moments in that regard too :D ) it's not worth spending too much time worrying about anything anyone writes. Some will provoke just for the sake of debate. You know who you are, as do your family and friends - theirs are the only opinions that matter.

[Frankito]

Just for the record, I don't get the lasting impression that you are racist and I hope you haven't taken that from me. Having said that, your original post and thread heading, in my self-aware head, could easily be misconstrued. Unfortunately there are lots of spineless, ignorant racists out there who 'hide' behind veiled statements.

And, it's those types I will always react to.

But, as I have said before, and will no doubt say again, you really shouldn't post on here if you expect no-one to challenge you. Healthy, sometimes heated, debate is good for the soul as long as it is both balanced and considered and coming from a good place..

[Annette Curtain]

RosieH Wrote:

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> Sorry dollface, just messin' with ya.

>

> This is an excuse for violence. Burn down

> TopMan.

>

> Otherwise I accept your point.

I prefer these

http://www.tobyshop.com/xcart/images/detail/d_470.jpg

[breaks]

DJKillaQueen Wrote:

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> Welcome to the forum NowAndHere....any kind of

> debate on it isn't for the faint hearted I'm

> afraid. Jeremy is right, it's just a forum and as

> much as some like the sound of their own words

> (and I've had my moments in that regard too :D )

> it's not worth spending too much time worrying

> about anything anyone writes. Some will provoke

> just for the sake of debate. You know who you are,

> as do your family and friends - theirs are the

> only opinions that matter.

That is a beautiful post, really beautiful. xxxx

[northlondoner]

Yep when it comes to sheer decency and a calming influence you can't beat DJKQ.She seems to have a lovely heart.

[TillieTrotter]

>:D

[Ridgley]

I second that, most of her points I agree with I thinks it because I am sure she will correct me we are the same age group and come from similar back grounds and I relate to her so well:))

[TillieTrotter]

I think Breaks had his/her tongue wedged firmly in his/her cheek there guys.

[northlondoner]

Yes i had considered then dismissed that lamentable possibility. Care to clarify Breaks?

[Alan Medic]

And your comment wasn't tongue in cheek northlondoner? Jeez,I don't think even DJ would consider herself a calming influence.

[northlondoner]

Sadly I am insufficiently sophisticated to do effective irony !

[DJKillaQueen]

lol.....I've been on more rocky ground than I care to remember AM ;) .....but I never worry if someone disagrees with me. And with many debates there is no wrong or right anyway....which is why a debate can happen. Nothing wrong with passion in debate either. Passion is what gets things done, and changed (hopefully for the better).

Anyone who knows me in person knows I will be the first to help, support or encourage if can. My mother used to tell me something repeatedly....'that it doesn't matter what you do in life, as long as you are happy, and inspire others'.

It's a good philosophy to live by :)

[Sue]

I'm speechless.

[DJKillaQueen]

lol....

[large7]

NowAndHere Wrote:

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> large7 Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > If not, consider him an idiot rather

> > than assuming just because he was black and

> you're

> > white, that HE'S racist.

>

>

>

> could you, please, show me where I called him

> racist?

You assumed that because he was a black man, throwing a can at a honky, that he was doing it as an act of racism - therefore implying all sorts of racial stereotypes - which is itself an act of racism.

[large7]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> large07 - the fact that it was a Coke can is

> irrelevant (as you seem to say yourself), a

> missile was thrown as an act of aggression. The

> act of aggression was the misdemeanour. And if

> you're going to construe racism (or pretend to

> imply to do so, such a non-commital way to insult

> someone - grow a pair and either make the

> accusation or be big enough to restrain the silly

> impulse) based on what you've read, then you're

> doing exactly what you've 'accused' me of !!

>

> Doh !! Hyprocritseville, TN, here we come...

Oh dear - have you recovered from having an empty coke can thrown at you yet? Obviously not as you clearly have anger management issues.

Don't assume that because the person was black, he was throwing it at you because you are white - that is implied racism.

Anyway, I can put you in touch with a counselor, if you're still traumatised by this terrible incident.