yanlizkurt Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Baker's dozenA baker's dozen, also known as a long dozen, is 13, one more than a proper dozen. The expression found its genesis in 13th-century England.It is also known as Devil's dozen, because 13 is considered to be an unlucky number.OriginThe oldest known source and most probable origin for the expression "baker's dozen" dates to the 13th century in one of the earliest English statutes, instituted during the reign of Henry III (r. 1216-1272), called the Assize of Bread and Ale. Bakers who were found to have shortchanged customers could be liable to severe punishment. To guard against the punishment of losing a hand to an axe, a baker would give 13 for the price of 12, to be certain of not being known as a cheat. Specifically, the practice of baking 13 items for an intended dozen was to prevent "short measure", on the basis that one of the 13 could be lost, eaten, burnt or ruined in some way, leaving the baker with the original dozen. The practice can be seen in the guild codes of the Worshipful Company of Bakers in London.Many scholars have posited that the thirteenth item in the Baker's dozen was a superstition related to the sacrifice of the last item to the devil. Thus propitiated, the devil would not curse the original dozen. Often the thirteenth item would be marked with an X, or the letters NM (Latin for "non-mandicatus").ModernWhile modern bakers no longer fear medieval law, they have found other reasons for a baker's dozen, as seen in the tidy way 13 disks (loaves, cookies, biscuits, etc.) can pack a rectangle (baking tray) of appropriate proportions. Modern standard sized packing trays have a 3:2 aspect ratio, and the most efficient two-dimensional array is hexagonal close packing, which has sixfold symmetry, such that each baked item is equidistant from its six nearest neighbors. The corners of a cookie sheet heat up and cool off faster than the edges and interior, so any item placed near a corner will not bake at the same rate as the other items. A 4+5+4 arrangement provides the dense hexagonal packing while avoiding corners, and would have been discovered empirically by bakers with the goal of baking the maximum number per batch with optimal uniformity. Continued use also stems from tradition, and some customers see it as a sign of appreciation from the baker for continued patronage.I hope this is help you to what is Baker's Dosen is.:)-D Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Excellent first post. Truly odd. Nice one. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 WTF? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 "While modern bakers no longer fear medieval law"Bit of a rash, sweeping statement there. I'd wager that somewhere in the world there remains at least one modern baker to be found quaking behind the flour sacks at the thought of judgement, medieval style. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizenED Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 It Baker's Dosen't help me. ;-) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratty Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I knew already ffs! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atila the gooner Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 do you know what's Baker's dozen is ?Yes Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanlizkurt Posted November 19, 2007 Author Share Posted November 19, 2007 I am happy you like that :D hope this is useful to someone real dozen is 12 don't 4get that >:D<allways happy days Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TillieTrotter Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Qui? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Can I have my name in flames in 24pt underneath all my posts please Mr Administrator? Would add a bit of colour around the place. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 It is pretty tasteful isn't it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanlizkurt Posted November 19, 2007 Author Share Posted November 19, 2007 I thought it would raise a few eyebrows, beats the burgerking ads! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulwich Born And Bred Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 yanlizkurt,Nerelisiniz? Ne Yapiyorsunuz?Very strange having a Turkish flag on here! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagpuss78 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 This is be truely helping me muchly, thanky kindly ;-) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanlizkurt Posted November 19, 2007 Author Share Posted November 19, 2007 HeidiHi Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> yanlizkurt,> Nerelisiniz? Ne Yapiyorsunuz?> > Very strange having a Turkish flag on here!izmir'denim ben iyiyim tesekkur ederim?siz nerelisiniz, Ne Yapiyorsunuz?what is more strange a name Turkish Flag or name in flames! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Administrator Posted November 19, 2007 Administrator Share Posted November 19, 2007 No more big flaming pictures as your signature please yanlizkurt Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanlizkurt Posted November 19, 2007 Author Share Posted November 19, 2007 Administrator Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> No more big flaming pictures as your signature> please yanlizkurtit's done .but I'm keeping my flag... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulwich Born And Bred Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Izmir? Tamam! Didim ve Turkiye'ye sik sik geliyorum! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Palaeologus Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Ref thread re ED becoming less diverse .... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulwich Born And Bred Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Palaeologus Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Ref thread re ED becoming less diverse ....:)) Say it aint so! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Palaeologus Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 It aint so.In Turkish.. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulwich Born And Bred Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Michael Palaeologus Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> It aint so.> > In Turkish..>:D< You do make me laugh! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Palaeologus Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 My witterings often surpise me HeidiHi - its all my own work. Nobody else would take responsibility for it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanlizkurt Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 Michael Palaeologus Wrote:------------------------------------------------------- > In Turkish..Do you speak Turkish? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Palaeologus Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Not a word. Not proud of my lack of linguistic skills though. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1971-do-you-know-whats-bakers-dozen-is/#findComment-56953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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