Punched and racially abused on Adys Road (goose green) next to church

[rendelharris]

Robert Poste's Child Wrote:

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> For what it's worth, Toffee, I don't think you

> deserved the rather rabid response you got. I

> don't know you or whether you have an 'agenda' but

> the response was out of proportion to what you

> said.

Rabid? Really? Toffee was pushing an agenda (fully backed up by his previous highly aggressive - including physically threatening - posts excoriating "liberal luvvies") that black on white racism is as prevalent as white on black and that it's covered up. If disagreeing - and finding it both pathetic and offensive - with that makes me rabid, then I'm rabid and proud of it. If you want properly rabid, you should see the utterly pathetic and offensive PM I've just had from Toffee accusing me of having his comments removed by reporting him to Admin. For the record, I didn't.

Oh and see his lame starting a whole thread just to attack me. Who's rabid?

[Take Note]

RendelHarris - have you ever been on the receiving end of racial abuse? It's pretty nasty. Your comment to Toffee was totally unwarranted, and trust me, as someone who has to put up with it every day I find it really offensive. It gets me down so much, that I'm thinking of moving out of London despite living in SE London all my life.

[rendelharris]

Take Note Wrote:

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> RendelHarris - have you ever been on the receiving

> end of racial abuse? It's pretty nasty. Your

> comment to Toffee was totally unwarranted, and

> trust me, as someone who has to put up with it

> every day I find it really offensive. It gets me

> down so much, that I'm thinking of moving out of

> London despite living in SE London all my life.

Sorry, let me get this clear before I respond further: you are, I presume, white, and you're claiming you're abused by people of colour every single day? Have I misunderstood?

[Take Note]

yep

[Dulwich Born And Bred]

I have to agree that I thought Toffee was being picked on by Rendel. It seemed to stem from Rendel not liking what Toffee has to say on a thread and then carrying it through other threads that they both were active on. I?ve read Toffee posts and I was not offended by anything said. It?s a forum, people have different views.

[Take Note]

Middle aged white woman - on the road, in shops, my neighbour (called me a F**king white bitch for parking too close to her) do you want me to continue, RH?

[rendelharris]

I can only say that I've lived in South London all my life, bar college etc, and this part of it for the past twenty years plus, and I've suffered racial abuse from people of another colour a grand total of three times.

[Take Note]

well done you. Then don't tell others they are pushing an agenda - it's happening, and it's vile.

[rendelharris]

DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote:

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> I have to agree that I thought Toffee was being

> picked on by Rendel. It seemed to stem from Rendel

> not liking what Toffee has to say on a thread and

> then carrying it through other threads that they

> both were active on. I?ve read Toffee posts and I

> was not offended by anything said. It?s a forum,

> people have different views.

And my different view was that I found the agenda I feel he was pushing offensive. If you don't, fine. As you say, people have different views. At least I don't start fresh threads for the sole aim of venting personal hatred...

[Administrator]

Stop it!

[Take Note]

exactly Admin. Have a day off, Rendel

[Administrator]

Stop it, all of you. Sometimes it's like a bleedin' kids playground but with bigger words and bigger chips on shoulders.

[Melbournemember]

That is disgusting! I hope you are okay and I hope these people get some kind of help with there mental illness!

[FightingFit]

Take Note Wrote:

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> exactly Admin. Have a day off, Rendel

Well said... that rh is intolerable.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Do you know what mental illness actually is? I find it really disappointing that, despite all the raising of awareness and destigmatising in recent years, some people still have that kneejerk reaction. Why not call it what it is: an assault, and one with a racist tone to it.

[Asset]

Horrible scenario, clearly some young, unhappy people with no moral compass. Hope they get their comeuppance and the OP isn't too disturbed.

For the record I think Rendel is right to call out Toffee's comment.

[uncleglen]

Asset Wrote:

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> Horrible scenario, clearly some young, unhappy

> people with no moral compass. Hope they get their

> comeuppance and the OP isn't too disturbed.

>

> For the record I think Rendel is right to call out

> Toffee's comment.

I had preconceived ideas about the original post when I saw the headline. Didn't dream it would be the other way round!

[YoungFamily]

It's not quite the same as what you have experienced but me and my partner were walking by the shop in underhill road I waited outside with the pushchair and our son as the shop is small and my partner went in and two males walked over and pulled out a knife and told me I was lucky I was with a baby and shouted white trash.

[Robert Poste's Child]

That's appalling. Did you get any support from the police?

[Penguin68]

There is a school of thought that believes that racism can only come from 'the majority' (by which is always meant the white majority) directed to a minority - and thus that it is impossible for anyone of colour to be racist. Hence the surprise/ disbelief of some on hearing of a racist encounter directed at a white person, for being white. In their view, (for some of them at least) an apparent racist expression directed at a white person is thus a legitimate expression of 'hit back' from an oppressed minority.

I believe that any expression of hatred against an individual - (just) for belonging to any group membership of which they had no choice in - is frightening and reprehensible, whatever you want to call it. And if someone is being judged for belonging to a racial group, then that is racism, surely?

I am more relaxed about judging people for who they are than what they are, and you can only judge someone for who they are by knowing them in the first place, evidently not the case here.

My sympathies to the OP and others who have suffered similarly.

[El Presidente]

Loving the admin in this thread!

[TheCat]

Penguin68 Wrote:

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> There is a school of thought that believes that

> racism can only come from 'the majority' (by which

> is always meant the white majority) directed to a

> minority - and thus that it is impossible for

> anyone of colour to be racist. Hence the surprise/

> disbelief of some on hearing of a racist encounter

> directed at a white person, for being white. In

> their view, (for some of them at least) an

> apparent racist expression directed at a white

> person is thus a legitimate expression of 'hit

> back' from an oppressed minority.

>

> I believe that any expression of hatred against an

> individual - (just) for belonging to any group

> membership of which they had no choice in - is

> frightening and reprehensible, whatever you want

> to call it. And if someone is being judged for

> belonging to a racial group, then that is racism,

> surely?

>

> I am more relaxed about judging people for who

> they are than what they are, and you can only

> judge someone for who they are by knowing them in

> the first place, evidently not the case here.

>

> My sympathies to the OP and others who have

> suffered similarly.

Agreed. I think that much of the progressive left would find that many of the people they likely think dont share their values, actually do share many of their social values at their core (i.e. anti-racism, sexism etc etc), but get 'bullied' into silence, which breeds resentment.

For example, one might be happy to support the view that it is minorities who suffer more at the hands of prejudice, but if one cant express a view that (on occasion) they have also suffered in some way (even though they are a man/white/rich/straight) without being met with incredulity about how they could possibly ever understand suffering because they are a man/white/rich/straight.....then doesn't that breed resentment? and lead to disinterest in people being willing to listen to stories about the suffering of others, because no one listened to theirs?

Overall this insistence in ou society on categorising everyone into a 'bucket' drives me mad.

[rendelharris]

TheCat Wrote:

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> For example, one might be happy to support the

> view that it is minorities who suffer more at the

> hands of prejudice, but if one cant express a view

> that (on occasion) they have also suffered in some

> way (even though they are a

> man/white/rich/straight) without being met with

> incredulity about how they could possibly ever

> understand suffering because they are a

> man/white/rich/straight.....then doesn't that

> breed resentment? and lead to disinterest in

> people being willing to listen to stories about

> the suffering of others, because no one listened

> to theirs?

I entirely agree, I think problems arise when people start pushing the idea of an equivalence, e.g. men suffer just as much oppression from women as vice versa, racism is just as bad for white people etc. That negates the reality of all experiences and is often used as an excuse to continue bad behaviour: "they" are just as bad as "us", "we" suffer just as much as "them", so you can't blame "us" for carrying on.

[TheCat]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> TheCat Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

>

> > For example, one might be happy to support the

> > view that it is minorities who suffer more at

> the

> > hands of prejudice, but if one cant express a

> view

> > that (on occasion) they have also suffered in

> some

> > way (even though they are a

> > man/white/rich/straight) without being met with

> > incredulity about how they could possibly ever

> > understand suffering because they are a

> > man/white/rich/straight.....then doesn't that

> > breed resentment? and lead to disinterest in

> > people being willing to listen to stories about

> > the suffering of others, because no one

> listened

> > to theirs?

>

> I entirely agree, I think problems arise when

> people start pushing the idea of an equivalence,

> e.g. men suffer just as much oppression from women

> as vice versa, racism is just as bad for white

> people etc. That negates the reality of all

> experiences and is often used as an excuse to

> continue bad behaviour: "they" are just as bad as

> "us", "we" suffer just as much as "them", so you

> can't blame "us" for carrying on.

As with all these sorts of issues these days, the internet shoulders much of the blame, as the lack of nuance in debate creates division where there probably needn't be. I dont think most reasonable 'non-PC brigade' people would deny that minorities suffer 'more' rascism, and women suffer 'more' sexism. They probably just want recognition and acknowledgement on those occasions when the opposite is true...instead of being told that someone else has it worse...and therefore 'invalidating their lived experience' (to coin a progressive left phrase!).

[JohnL]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> TheCat Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

>

> > For example, one might be happy to support the

> > view that it is minorities who suffer more at

> the

> > hands of prejudice, but if one cant express a

> view

> > that (on occasion) they have also suffered in

> some

> > way (even though they are a

> > man/white/rich/straight) without being met with

> > incredulity about how they could possibly ever

> > understand suffering because they are a

> > man/white/rich/straight.....then doesn't that

> > breed resentment? and lead to disinterest in

> > people being willing to listen to stories about

> > the suffering of others, because no one

> listened

> > to theirs?

>

> I entirely agree, I think problems arise when

> people start pushing the idea of an equivalence,

> e.g. men suffer just as much oppression from women

> as vice versa, racism is just as bad for white

> people etc. That negates the reality of all

> experiences and is often used as an excuse to

> continue bad behaviour: "they" are just as bad as

> "us", "we" suffer just as much as "them", so you

> can't blame "us" for carrying on.

That's true, but I go on the equality act legally.

(1)Race includes?

(a)colour;

(b)nationality;

©ethnic or national origins.

We don't have to use the term racism though.