Halal and Kosher Meat, your thoughts

[Chick]

Wasn't Adolf a veggie? And Tony Blackburn?

[Voyageur]

Chick Wrote:

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> Wasn't Adolf a veggie? And Tony Blackburn?

If that's not confirmation that it's the devil's work I don't know what is! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/teufel/devil-smiley-033.gif

[Annette Curtain]

Where's Thomas ?

And yes, Tony Blackburn is a Vegetarian and a good advocate for them too.

NETTE:)

[Thomas Micklewright]

Harp harp harp goodness me H I should hire you as the DVVS Press Officer!

I would love to meet you, will you be at the meeting on 10th?

DVVS "self help group for those with a hatred of humans" now that's a quote for the website!

(Ps. Hitler wasn't a veggie, his doctor encouraged it for his health but H just didn't have the staying power)

[Thomas Micklewright]

Thanks for the lovely picture curtain, do they stun them at that farm?

'Welfare conscience' doesn't sit comfortably with 'death/slaughtered'. But then Doctor H has diagnosed me as ill so that explains it. Harp harp.

[Loz]

Thomas Micklewright Wrote:

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> (Ps. Hitler wasn't a veggie, his doctor encouraged

> it for his health but H just didn't have the staying power)

But he was a fascist, so that's close...

[RosieH]

> Thomas Micklewright Wrote:

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> (Ps. Hitler wasn't a veggie, his doctor

> encouraged

> it for his health but H just didn't have the

> staying power)

Source? Vegetarian propaganda!

[Moos]

Thomas Micklewright Wrote:

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> Thanks for the lovely picture curtain, do they

> stun them at that farm?

> 'Welfare conscience' doesn't sit comfortably with

> 'death/slaughtered'. But then Doctor H has

> diagnosed me as ill so that explains it. Harp

> harp.

Hey Thomas

I personally have no issue with your starting these threads on the forum. I think Annette also showed enough interest to share his philosophy of meat-eating, pity you chose not to engage but I'll have another try. Do you really not see an ethical difference between organically raised and humanely slaughtered animals for meat and for example battery farming? Does it come under a single category: "slaughtered"? If so, why ask about Kosher/Halal, by the way? Would it be better, for example, than gettig old and starving to death, or being killed by predators?

Look forward to your thoughts

I'm a meat eater, by the way, but a choosy one.

[Thomas Micklewright]

Hey moos,

Sorry I didn't engage. Yes I think choosing locally sourced meat from free range organic small holdings is much better than buying meat from Morleys for example.

However I feel consumers of meat often use the phrase 'high welfare' to excuse the fact that they are growing a life just to be killed and its flesh eaten.

Tom

[Thomas Micklewright]

Rosie H

http://www.naturalnews.com/025163_Hitler_vegetarian_vegetarianism.html

[Annette Curtain]

Oh that's great.

He (Hitler) wasn't a Vegetarian but he was a Catholic.

And don't tell me, he went to confession & ate fish on Friday.

NETTE:-S

[DaveR]

"However I feel consumers of meat often use the phrase 'high welfare' to excuse the fact that they are growing a life just to be killed and its flesh eaten"

I never use the phrase 'high welfare'.

I prefer the phrase:

"I'll have the ribeye. Medium-rare".

[Horsebox]

Loz Wrote:

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> Thomas Micklewright Wrote:

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> > (Ps. Hitler wasn't a veggie, his doctor

> encouraged

> > it for his health but H just didn't have the

> staying power)

>

> But he was a fascist, so that's close...

Brilliant, Loz.

[RosieH]

Thomas, I have no particular Hitler axe to grind, and I'm sure you know that people only wheel out the f?hrer in any argument about vegetarianism to get a rise out of veggies. Nevertheless, I feel obliged to point out that your link to a wacky-wackster website (breast cancer is caused by a "life force stagnation", REALLY???) links through to only one source.

Have a look at all the sources on Wikipedia*, for there are many. Most suggesting that he was vegetarian, only a couple suggesting that he was not. So while we may never know the definitive truth, your absolute certainty seems wildly misplaced.

*and I make no bold claims for Wikipedia, however, in this instance, the article cites many sources

[Huguenot]

I LOVE that site - according Mike Adams, Health Ranger, the Final Solution was derived from Hitler's excessive farting.

I'm also incredibly pleased to see that CANCER is curable NOW for only $19.97

Result.

[Huguenot]

Oh my good heavens - cordless phones mess with your brain!!!

There's quite a lot about cats to soothe you after that bombshell.

[wee quinnie]

david_carnell Wrote:

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> Seriously.....Tom......sod off. This is getting

> tedious now.

It is the responses that are tedious. If people think these threads are tiresome, why keep them alive by responding?

I agree with some of T's points but not all of them - yet the vilification that he is subjected to on these boards, seems....bizarre.

[Otta]

the vilification that he is

subjected to on these boards,

seems.... bizarre.

Agreed, but I still wish Tom would give it a rest.

[Thomas Micklewright]

Give what a rest? Championing the environment over human greed? Your grand kids will thank me for it!

[Sue]

OK I've had several glasses of red, but I just want to say, if people didn't eat meat, then there would be very few

cows, sheep, pigs or hens in the countryside, if any. At least they have a life, even if a fairly short one.

And I personally think battery farming is a load more cruel than animals getting their throats slit.

I used to live on an organic farm. Strange as it may seem, the farmers really cared for their animals, and their welfare, even though they were going off to be slaughtered at the end of the day.

I was a vegetarian once. Now I'm not. But I would never knowingly eat animals who had spent their lives in a cruel environment.

[Annette Curtain]

Thomas Micklewright Wrote:

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> Give what a rest? Championing the environment

> over human greed? Your grand kids will thank me

> for it!

Thomas

You're not a bwwrilliant Rik Mayall impersonator are you, by any chance ?

NETTE:-S

[Annette Curtain]

Sue Wrote:

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> OK I've had several glasses of red, but I just

> want to say, if people didn't eat meat, then there

> would be very few

> cows, sheep, pigs or hens in the countryside, if

> any. At least they have a life, even if a fairly

> short one.

>

> And I personally think battery farming is a load

> more cruel than animals getting their throats

> slit.

>

> I used to live on an organic farm. Strange as it

> may seem, the farmers really cared for their

> animals, and their welfare, even though they were

> going off to be slaughtered at the end of the

> day.

>

> I was a vegetarian once. Now I'm not. But I would

> never knowingly eat animals who had spent their

> lives in a cruel environment.

Well shhh*hic*-aid Sueee.

:)-D

[Sue]

:)-D

hic

:)-D

[DaveR]

"Championing the environment over human greed"

That's not what you're doing Tom. You're being endlessly disingenuous and frankly very dull, which is putting me off my sausages - a crime against humanity in my book.

Why don't you go and start a thread about something unconnected with eating/not eating meat and prove that you're not just a single issue pillock?

[nashoi]

The site Thomas linked to re:Hitler reproduced the entry on this subject from the QI book pretty much word for word. The QI Forum has a lot more on the subject.