23rd March - ?Put It To The People March? - central London

[JohnL]

Angelina Wrote:

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> You can't discount the ones who didn't vote and

> use them in your stats against those who did.

> Those who didn't vote also didn't vote to remain,

> so like for like, you could say even less people

> voted Remain than the actual results.

>

> Gets a bit cloudy, doesn't it.

We also have the foreign people in the UK and/or the UK people abroad (one or the other should have been allowed to vote)

[JohnL]

Anyway with this march days before Brexit nerves will be strained.

There's been some intra-remain squabbles recently apparently.

[civilservant]

Passiflora Wrote:

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> Oh come on civilservant, what are you a leaver or remainer?

didn't realise i had to spell it out, given that i was clearly agreeing with Joeleg about the ridiculously slender margin - as the woman on question time pointed out, you wouldn't change the rules of a golf club on that type of knife-edge vote.

fwitw i voted remain and would do so again if ever a second vote came to pass

i am not into self-harm, nor do i get a kick out of harming the future prospects of the people i share this country with

[Passiflora]

Slender margin or what (one point two million voters in 2016) hope the People March have a good day.

[rendelharris]

Passiflora Wrote:

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> Slender margin or what (one point two million

> voters in 2016) hope the People March have a good

> day.

1.2 million voters sounds frightfully impressive, doesn't it? 3.78% doesn't sound quite so great, and well within the tolerance limits of Brexiters who said it would be "unfinished business" if it was 52-48.

[Passiflora]

Well, 1.2 million voters difference does sound frightfully impressive rendel!

Wondering if the 'Put it to the people march' will allow for cyclists on the march or will you be walking?

[JoeLeg]

You seem obsessed with the raw number. It means nothing on its own. The percentage is the important factor.

If you won by just one vote it?s massive of three of you voted, not so massive if 30 of you voted, and pretty small if 300 of you voted, and so on and so on...

It may sound impressive to you, but not to a lot of other people.

[Passiflora]

Oh ok, Joeleg, thanks for that!

[JoeLeg]

No problem, you?re welcome.

I?m here all week, try the veal and tip your server.

[Alan Medic]

The impact of social media on the EU referendum.

http://www.referendumanalysis.eu/eu-referendum-analysis-2016/section-7-social-media/impact-of-social-media-on-the-outcome-of-the-eu-referendum/

This doesn't mention why the leave campaign had more influence, just that it did. How it did is another story.

If you are so inclined this is worth watch...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6gf5whRuQ0

[IlonaM]

Update on details for the march next week.

[diable rouge]

Does anyone know what the logic was in holding the march after the EU summit? I realise that the march had to be booked in advance, but the EU summits are known in advance too, and it was always felt that next week's summit could be a biggie for May in trying to squeeze something out of the EU. Marches are all about getting seen and being heard, so to hold the march before the summit surely would've made more sense than after...

[keano77]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Does anyone know what the logic was in holding the

> march after the EU summit?

Sorry to edit your question as above but there is no logic whatsoever.

A referendum is held on staying in or leaving the EU.

Leave wins. Losers don?t like the result and campaign to overthrow the result by ...wait for it... having another referendum even though they don?t respect the results of referendums.

You couldn?t make it up

[alice]

Makes sense to me

Things change.

we?ll only have a new vote if polls suggest it?s going to be 70:30.

[fishbiscuits]

The "Leave" campaign was based on some highly tenuous claims, particularly the outrageous "?350 million a week for the NHS" bus. That alone justifies a re-run IMO. Then add in the fact that there was almost no mention of the Northern Ireland conundrum running up to the original referendum... many of us are more aware of the realities and intricacies of the situation now. A second referendum seems completely logical.

Unfortunately it probably won't happen, there is insufficient will in the two main parties.

[diable rouge]

keano77 Wrote:

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> You couldn?t make it up

Actually, Brexiters did, and continue to do so.

Meanwhile, they march, all 200 of them...

[diable rouge]

More of Nige's ''epic protest march''...

[teddyboy23]

dr is that you carrying the EU flag

[diable rouge]

Yes tedddyboy, I was asked to stand there to stop them walking off the cliff edge...

[teddyboy23]

Made me laugh

[exdulwicher]

With references to the numbers and percentages:

If you think it's a clear majority, try getting two identical containers and putting 52 grains of rice in one of them and 48 grains in the other. Then tell me how clear cut that result is....

[keano77]

1,137,100 people live in Birmingham according to the mid 2017 population estimates.

That is a smaller number than the majority in the referendum.

https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/info/20057/about_birmingham/1294/population_and_census/2

That should keep you busy counting rice grains exdulwicher

[JohnL]

There was a lively discussion between leavers and remainers on the Farage march yesterday. One of the leave organisers came charging over and committed assault. tweet with video now deleted (I should have saved it) but the crazed look on his face was something to see.

https://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/crime/police-probe-assault-complaint-after-woman-says-she-was-pushed-during-march-to-leave-protest-in-sunderland-1-9656935

[Angelina]

I think the shambles that is happening is enough to make anyone crazy.

Apparently TM didn't even vote for her own Agreement. Ludicrous.

[JohnL]

Angelina Wrote:

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> I think the shambles that is happening is enough

> to make anyone crazy.

Oh I understand that - organises a march, turns up at Sunderland and there's a load of remainers there (and they were all waiting at the pub in Middlesborough too) :).

Feels a bit like the boating thing on the Thames (Geldof vs Farage)