Trouble at the Goose

[malumbu]

Sad to report that some Hooray Henry's were mischievous at Dulwich Hamlet FC on Friday. The good folks of East Dulwich were unprepared for the toffs in a scene that echoed an Oxbridge May Ball.

The Champagne Charlies appeared to have had one too many Pimms and decided to let everyone know in no uncertain terms of how lucky the audience were that the ruling classes had decided to mix with the common people that evening.

Great credit to the steward and organisers for telling them to politely STFU.

The cad's then got angry with some unfortunate couple in the car park telling them that they were so rich that they could pay for the couple to disappear without trace. Well they had already got away with the murder of JFK.

Perhaps some of the bounders are reading this. Does this prick your conscience and did you wake up questioning why you had made idiots of yourselves? Or has any normal human emotion been bred our generations ago.

[ibilly99]

This is some of the new ED folk - better get used to it - the money you have to have now to live here means that only minted people can afford to live here. One of the reasons I'm leaving ....

[katie1997]

ibilly99 Wrote:

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> This is some of the new ED folk - better get used

> to it - the money you have to have now to live

> here means that only minted people can afford to

> live here. One of the reasons I'm leaving ....

Tell me about the rabbits, George.

[ibilly99]

It was inevitable when we let these bustards into positions of power - born to rule - born to rule over us ....

http://elspethlodge.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/david-cameron-bullingdon.jpg

Tell me about the rabbits, George

A popular quote from John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men (said by Lennie to George), sometimes used when dreaming of something (often along with someone else) that you know will never happen. Usually used in a sad, almost-reminiscent way.

Friend: It'll be okay... You'll get better soon...

Terminally Ill Patient: Tell me about the rabbits, George...

Friend: ... Once you get better, you'll go back to school with all of us again...and you'll pass with the highest grades like always...and then we'll be roommates for college...and everything will all be okay...

[maxxi]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Sad to report that some Hooray Henry's were

> mischievous at Dulwich Hamlet FC on Friday...

> The Champagne Charlies appeared to have had one

> too many Pimms and decided to let everyone know in

> no uncertain terms of how lucky the audience were

> that the ruling classes had decided to mix with

> the common people that evening...

> The cad's then got angry with some unfortunate

> couple in the car park telling them that they were

> so rich that they could pay for the couple to

> disappear without trace.

Surely just local estate agents out on a jolly.

[ratty]

I did not vote for them

[Sue]

Only just seen this thread.

The group of tossers concerned actually came from Bournemouth to have a "night out".

I know this because they told one of the people they quarrelled with in the car park where they were from (who then told me), and they told the bar manager they were on a night out.

Why they decided to come to a folk night in East Dulwich for their "night out" and then proceed to talk through it, who knows. Maybe they didn't like Dave Swarbrick, so why bloody buy tickets? It wasn't a sudden decision to come - they had bought advance tickets online. I know this because we know the postcodes of purchasers, and some of them were indeed from the Bournemouth area.

One of them (female) followed me into the ladies where she proceeded to insult me whilst I was otherwise engaged in the adjoining cubicle.

Basically I/we took the view that the talking was less disruptive than attempting to eject them would be.

Their response to being told that they were spoiling other people's enjoyment of the music was "Well they're spoiling mine by wanting me to be quiet" and "You don't expect us to not talk all evening do you?" - er, yes, we expect you to keep quiet like everybody else you see around you is doing, except during the interval and between songs .....

We already have notices around the place asking people to respect the artists and not talk during the live music.

I am now going to get a very large A3 poster printed basically saying, if you can't STFU then you will be asked to leave.

Does anybody know if it is legal to kick people out of a gig if they are disturbing other people and don't respond to being asked to be quiet?

We've very occasionally had similar problems in the past, but never to such an extent. Usually the only trouble is the odd person trying to blag their way in without a ticket.

[Jeremy]

Sue, is there a way to display your own T&C on the website when people buy tickets, saying that the audience is expected to keep quiet during the performance?

[StraferJack]

Do people really need to be told that?

The sort of person who is going to yap through a gig is going to do it because they are a gobshite, not because the did or didn't read terms and conditions

[Jeremy]

Sure, but I was thinking that if someone breaks the specified T&C, then you'd probably be legally entitled to ask them to leave.

[El Pibe]

Doesn't the catch all "The management reserves the right..." suffice?

[Carbonara]

"Does anybody know if it is legal to kick people out of a gig if they are disturbing other people and don't respond to being asked to be quiet?"

As I understand it if it is licensed premises and you are the licence holder then you can eject anyone you like for any reason you like.

Good to hear they are not local. I don't recognise boorish behaviour as a common ED feature, even by XC90 or Porsche drivers ;-)

[DJKillaQueen]

The event organiser can request the premises superviser eject anyone causing nuisance to other guests and customers (without any obligation to return entry or ticket fees) and it's perfectly legal to do so. You can even bar them. I have ejected and barred people from certain events at our Tenants Hall for similar behaviour. If they won't leave of their own accord you can call the Police to escort them off the premises (and on occasion I've done that too). No T&C's needed.

[Otta]

The group of tossers concerned actually came from Bournemouth to have a "night out".

I know this because they told one of the people they quarrelled with in the car park where they were from

This made me laugh. If I was in a carpark row with someone, I'm not sure I'd admit to being from Bournemouth. It doesn't exactly sound particularly hard. "I'm from Bournemouth you know, so you'd better watch out". I'm sure the residents of SE London were positively shitt!ng themselves.

[MrBen]

It's quite a folkie thing though isn't it? In folk, jazz and acoustic blues clubs it's normal etiquette to not talk during quiet performances as you would in a play or theatre. This is basic respect to the performer. Different if its rock, Cajun, Zydeco, anything that you could dance to or on as mainly optional background music to a good night out.

[MrBen]

Good to see though that with this crowd no guns were pulled in the Hamlets car park (for once).

[Sue]

MrBen Wrote:

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> It's quite a folkie thing though isn't it? In

> folk, jazz and acoustic blues clubs it's normal

> etiquette to not talk during quiet performances as

> you would in a play or theatre. This is basic

> respect to the performer. Different if its rock,

> Cajun, Zydeco, anything that you could dance to or

> on as mainly optional background music to a good

> night out.

xxxxxxx

Yes, of course, if it had been some other kinds of music it wouldn't have mattered.

But what I can't understand is, they surely must have known what kind of gig they were coming to. You don't just stick a pin in a list of London gigs on WeGotTickets and shell out your money at random?

Edited for typo

[Parkdrive]

Send him rahnd!!!! He'll sort em aaarrhhtt!!!

[MrBen]

You'd think but I reckon some out of towners actually do this. i.e. a novelty night in London.

[red devil]

Otta Wrote:

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> The group of tossers concerned actually came from

> Bournemouth to have a "night out".

>

> I know this because they told one of the people

> they quarrelled with in the car park where they

> were from

>

> This made me laugh. If I was in a carpark row with

> someone, I'm not sure I'd admit to being from

> Bournemouth. It doesn't exactly sound particularly

> hard. "I'm from Bournemouth you know, so you'd

> better watch out". I'm sure the residents of SE

> London were positively shitt!ng themselves.

Don't be messin' with the Bournemouth Massive...innit

[Ridgley]

Otta wrote

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Don't be messin' with the Bournemouth Massive...innit

Chav chav gustily chaves welcome to 2012 Britain

[El Pibe]

I kid you not, some less savoury characters I knew as a whipper snapper would sing "you're going home in a Letchworth ambulance" on just such a night out.

The smaller the town the more townies think they matter. This is why I left!!

[ibilly99]

You should have pulped their faces in with your foot and kept on stamping until the the pulped remains resembled crushed beetroot. I hate folk who insist on talking in gigs - whay do they bother - good on you Sue for making a stand.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/jul/12/indie-professor-people-talk-gigs

[Sue]

Interesting article!

Don't think I'll go in for the pulping thing though :)

And somebody reminded me the other night of one of our gigs (rammed) where the headliner (very famous - well, in the folk world anyway :))) stood at the back with a group of friends and talked through both the support acts.

Given who he was, I didn't feel I could say anything. The person who reminded me of it said he thought I should have done, no matter who it was.

In retrospect I think I probably should have done - so belated apologies to the audience .....

[KidKruger]

Yeah Sue you should have told him to quiten-up or get Folked.

I asked Bert Jansch to keep it down once at the 12 Bar when an earlier artist was playing before his spot. He was cool with it, even though I joked I'd talk all through his spot !