Gay marriage? Let's have a referendum

[DJKillaQueen]

There will be minutes of the debate available at some point SF but I think the result doesn't suggest too many arguments against.

I've seen the Stonewall ads but don't really know if I think they are an effective addition to the debate. After all, the debate is a religious one at the core of most opposition. And no-one is denying that gay people exist. If instead of saying 'Some people are gay - get over it', the ad said 'God makes some people gay - get over it', then it might have more impact, whilst at the same time confronting the core prong of opposition.

[Loz]

Would you get on a bus that said, "Allah makes some people gay - get over it"??

[*Bob*]

Is this the standard clarion call of any theological debate these days? "Ooh, you wouldn't say that about the Muslims".

Forget about the Muslims already.

We live in the UK. The Queen is the head of the Church of England. She's also head of state.

And that's what this is fuss is all about: church and state.

[DJKillaQueen]

I tend to agree with Loz that use of the word God (Allah) and gay in the same sentence on a bus would be too controversial for some people/institutions. But the minority outrage shouldn't have the power it does, not in the UK anyway. Bob is right though about the church and state dilema. It is because the Anglican church has such an entrneched constitutional and historical connection to the dominent culture that there is time given to the views of its opponents. Other religions outside of that establishment have gone through many changes in law that conflict with their beliefs, catholicism and abortion for example, without much regard for their beliefs by the state.

[Loz]

The point I was trying to make Bob is that non-Christians feel they can attack the Christian church (not just C of E) in a way they would never dream (and would indeed be scared of) attacking other religions.

[*Bob*]

I don't buy that 'not having a pop at Islam' is down to being scared - or somehow 'not being allowed'.

The truth is that most people, myself included, know hardly anything about Islam. This in contrast Christianity, a religion bound up in the state, schools, architecture, media, social life etc etc for a millennia and a half or whatever, undergoing tumultuous change - not to mention considerable moderation - along the way.

Like most people, I can't say anything about Islam these days. But then I don't actually know anything about it, so it's probably best if I don't.

You don't have to go back too many centuries in England before such a poster would have earned you a cruel, summary death.

Where and what will Islam in the UK be in four hundred years?

[*Bob*]

Incidentally, The Beeb have been running a primetime, pre-watershed TV poster campaign called 'Allah makes some people gay, get over it', for a couple of years now.

To date, a mob sporting explosive belts and Russian-made assault rifles have not surrounded White City.

[DJKillaQueen]

Christian group books anti-gay ads to appear on buses

So sad I don't know whether to laugh or cry! What the heck does post-gay even mean?

[uncleglen]

The 'you can be cured of being gay' (or wtte) ads have been banned from buses

[Loz]

BoJo to the rescue!

[DJKillaQueen]

Indeed :)

[Emily Dickie]

this cartoon sums it up perfectly

[Gavain]

hmm if one is trying to convince someone who believes that a god needs to be prayed too otherwise there in the merde then your gonna have to do a lot to convince them that a persons sexuality is their choice and as humans they have the exact same rights as all, and if they the gays are also deluded to believe in a god then all i can say is agadoo doo doo at least theirs will be better dressed, and i,d love to see a gay church service

[uncleglen]

All church services are 'gay'

[Gavain]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> All church services are 'gay'

Communion could be fun "while your down there"

[DJKillaQueen]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> All church services are 'gay'

What does that mean?

[Huguenot]

Haha - isn't it just a base approach to homosexuality by making uncomfortable mirthless jokes about it?

I'd forget about it DJKQ.

[DJKillaQueen]

LOL ;)

[uncleglen]

In this sense 'gay' means stupid (IMHO) DJKQ

[DJKillaQueen]

Hmmm.....teenagers use the word gay to mean naff and stupid too but it is hard to seperate it's connection with homosexuality and the idea that anything (or anyone) 'gay' is therefore inferior. And before that it was a word commonly used to hint at immorality and/or promiscuity (a use that can be traced all the way back to the 1630's) which then prompts the question as to why homosexuals adopted the word for their own use (thought to have emerged into mainstream language from slang used by homosexuals themselves around the 1940's). What's most interesting to me is that a word that originally was commonly used to insinuate promiscuity/ immorality and prostitution has come to mean naff and stupid in less than 100 years, with a little homosexual adoption in between. The evolution of languase is fascinating sometimes.

[uncleglen]

Apparently, 'sick' means really good

[tallulah71]

yes. If you're a child - and a certain kind of child...Using the words 'gay' (rubbish) Sick (great) just don't get it, but then, I'm not a child.

[????]

Noooooooooooooooo. Next you'll be telling me wicked means something other than evil beyond redemption.

[firkinboo]

Couldn't agree more - that is just about the most logical, unbiased, reasonable comment I have ever seen on this subject!

[-Heinz-]

Cannot find "Serious ridin' in my souped up Mabel-Bonzo" By DJKillaQueen... or is is a hoax? (found on music title game thread in EDF)