East Dulwich Grove mugging

[Otto2]

Hi -

My 14 year old son was met on East Dulwich Grove by a group and taken to a little alley near Glengarry. His bike and phone were taken this eve around 7pm. He was escorted by four youths...just a heads up for parents. It was about 7:15 this eve. All the little muggers were about 15ish but one fellow was older - probs 19ish he thought. This is his second mugging. No really useful descriptions to offer.

[sweetgirl]

If you were to give any kind of description, you'd probably be done for racism!

Sorry to hear but that was my initial thought after reading your thread

[Chick]

Why? Are assuming the muggers were black?

sweetgirl Wrote:

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> If you were to give any kind of description, you'd

> probably be done for racism!

>

> Sorry to hear but that was my initial thought

> after reading your thread

[goldilocks]

Sorry to hear that. Maybe post details of the bike and phone that were stolen too? Hope he?s ok though. Assume you have reported it?

[Otto2]

This post will be deleted if it descends into a racism discussion. It is just an FYI re crime in the area.

[Otto2]

Green Trex mountain bike 26? wheels if anyone sees it abandoned.

[dimples]

I know of three separate mugging of my friends sons in exactly the same place but earlier about 4pm coming home from charter . Also I know they are not the only ones .

They have been reported

I hope you sons ok

[Otto2]

Thanks Dimples.

[goldilocks]

There was a previous thread on here a while ago about a stabbing on Glengarry and there was CCTV of that - not sure where it came from but wondered if it could be helpful here?

https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,1944498,1944631#msg-1944631

[Penguin68]

School-boy muggings have been a (sad) constant over the 30 years I have lived in ED - they seem to go in spates - maybe crime is as fashion conscious as other things. And mugging by gangs is also common. Which is not to say this shouldn't be reported and cracked down-on. Normally the police end up by targeting an area and forcing the crime elsewhere. The private schools around here, with boys (and girls) with good quality phones and bikes are of course an attractor.

It is awful of course when we are in one of these spates, and huge sympathy to any victim. But they should be reminded of the 'Godfather' maxim - 'this is business, not personal' - however personal it feels at the time.

[Angelina]

business? yes I'm not sure that would comfort a young person who has been scared - especially with the prevalence of knife crime etc.....

[Penguin68]

It's about realising that they are not being targeted personally - of course it's terrible and scary, but it's not about them, but about their phone/ bike etc. That's a very different position for those targeted for knife crime, where who they are or what gang they belong to is an issue.

[Gloves]

Penguin68 Wrote:

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> It's about realising that they are not being

> targeted personally - of course it's terrible and

> scary, but it's not about them, but about their

> phone/ bike etc. That's a very different position

> for those targeted for knife crime, where who they

> are or what gang they belong to is an issue.

Take the blinkers off!

What world do you live in?

[Penguin68]

Take the blinkers off!

What world do you live in?

A world where there is a difference between theft (where the objective is gain) and personal attack. It is very easy to take theft personally, as if it is you, not your belongings, which are being targeted, but that is not normally so. You are targeted only as the owner/ holder of those belongings - if you didn't have them you wouldn't be targeted. That is very different from most of the knife crime in London, as it is reported, where it is the individual identity (sometimes mistaken) which is the trigger, and where violence, not the threat of violence, is the significant element.

People involved as victims of crime (mugging, robbery and burglary) frequently add to their pain by considering that the crime is personal to them (targeted at them as individuals 'why me?') - and therefore becoming more fearful of future events than is necessary. That simply adds to a burden of trauma and that addition is not normally justified.

Additionally some muggings in particular may be about 'showing off' to others - 'look how brave I am to mug someone' - but again (unlike the attack of a bully) that has little to do with the victim. The victim may be a 'trophy' but the actual persona of the victim is irrelevant to that.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Let's not let this descend into an argument. It's awful that such a young lad has been victim to this. That it's happened twice now is really quite shocking. I hope he's OK.

I wonder what can be done to reduce these types of incidents?

[tash b]

Otto2 I?m so sorry to hear as I know as a mum the effect it has, my 16yr old son was also mugged Friday early evening took his phone by 2 boys around 18ish.

[theron2]

Think I've found the bike, pm on way call me asap

[Otto2]

Thanks theron2 -

[Otto2]

Thanks to the big-hearted theron2, I now have the bike back! So heartwarming that there are generous good people in the world. He took a great deal of time out to return the bike, and, I am very grateful. Three cheers for the forum and amazing goodwill!

[KidKruger]

Nice to hear a bit of good news as a side story !!

[Peckham Park]

On Gilkes Crescent yesterday boys were held up with knives! A local parent took photos. Where are the police?

[Pugwash]

The police are understaffed and very stretched and are leaving in their drones due to the pay and conditions they are expected to work in. If you have to work 7 days a week as your rest days were cancelled, you would feel miffed.

When you think of 2/3 police officers per ward on foot or bicycle they cannot cover every street. Hopefully the crime was reported to the Police (Village SNT).

[Milan05]

That's fantastic theron2, three cheers indeed!

[seenbeen]

Pugwash Wrote:

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> The police are understaffed and very stretched and

> are leaving in their drones due to the pay and

> conditions they are expected to work in. If you

> have to work 7 days a week as your rest days were

> cancelled, you would feel miffed.

>

> When you think of 2/3 police officers per ward on

> foot or bicycle they cannot cover every street.

> Hopefully the crime was reported to the Police

> (Village SNT).

I was watching a documentary about the terrorist who were going to board planes with liquid bombs in Lucozade bottles. It took 1,000 police officers to surveille and eventually catch them before the planned carnage! Kind of explains a lot

[Angelina]

"understaffed" - whatever they spend most of their time doing, there isn't enough resource to follow up calls like this. Shocking it's happening so frequently to our kids