Danny Baker sacked

[pk]

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and in being racist, presumably?

classic white (I'm guessing) middle aged (I'm guessing) male (I'm guessing) arrogance, thinking that they're best placed to tell everyone the reality about racism - whilst clearly not giving a sh*t about/ridiculing those affected

[KidKruger]

I think you may be wrong on the first point, pk.

[TheCat]

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> classic white (I'm guessing) middle aged (I'm

> guessing) male (I'm guessing) arrogance, thinking

> that they're best placed to tell everyone the

> reality about racism - whilst clearly not giving a

> sh*t about/ridiculing those affected

WOW...and you're claiming its 'other' people who are prejudiced....?????

your hypocrisy it astounding.

[TheCat]

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> anyway, people who trouser taxpayers' money must

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for example...like accepting that you will be mocked if you are a member of the royal family?:)

[TheArtfulDogger]

I wonder what would be said if spitting images was still on air?

[JohnL]

It's not the royal family that's insulted - gathering from my twitter and real life conversation too it's many PoC.

[hpsaucey]

Off topic slightly but he's a pants presenter.

HP

[civilservant]

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quite, and as i pointed out, they do take it in truckloads in The Windsors (which is Ch4, not BBC, sorry) and Spitting Image and elsewhere

DB quoted as saying: "Minutes later I was alerted by followers that this royal baby was of course mixed race and waves of panic and revulsion washed over me... What had I done? I needed no lessons on the centuries slurs equating simians and people of colour. Racism at it's basest."

where has he been these past few years, i wonder, that he 'needed to be alerted'?

[fishbiscuits]

It was obviously intended as satire of the royal family. In a democratic country, it's perfectly valid that we can openly question what value this inherited privilege, and associated ceremonial duty, really adds to our society.

To most of us, being mixed race is not even vaguely noteworthy these days. As far as I'm concerned, kids of mixed heritage are not "mixed race children", they're just kids like any other. If he's of a similar mindset, and a racial slur is absolutely the furthest thing from your thoughts, it stands to reason that you might not immediately realise the connotations.

So yes... extremely ill-judged, and with hindsight it seems obvious - so his employers had every right to discipline him. But I have no reason to believe it was an intentional racial insult, and I am certain his apology is genuine.

[pk]

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there's no hypocrisy there, thanks

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A watertight reposte.....

I concede to your infallible logic

[pk]

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> (I'm

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thanks, I'm glad you concede

I guess that you realise that there's no logic in what you said so the logical response is indeed to dismiss it out of hand

[pk]

"the centuries slurs equating simians and people of colour. Racism at it's basest.?

?The picture in context as presented was obviously shamefully racist.?

"I am aware black people do not need a white man to tell them this.?

D. Baker 2019

[Mark]

Here is Danny Baker's statement, I think it's best read in full rather than bits of it being pulled out to sway biased points of view:

"I chose the wrong photo to illustrate a joke. Disastrously so.

"In attempting to lampoon privilege and the news cycle I went to a file of goofy pictures and saw the chimp dressed as a Lord and thought, 'That's the one!' Had I kept searching I might have chosen General Tom Thumb or even a a baby in a crown. But I didn't. God knows I wish had.

"Minutes later I was alerted by followers that this royal baby was of course mixed race and waves of panic and revulsion washed over me... What had I done?

"I needed no lessons on the centuries slurs equating simians and people of colour. Racism at it's basest.

"But it was a genuine, naive and catastrophic mistake. There is of course little media/twitter traction in such a straight-forward explanation. The picture in context as presented was obviously shamefully racist. It was never intended so - seriously who on earth would 'go there'?"

He added: "Anyway I am now paying the price for this crass and regrettable blunder and rightly so. Probably even this final word from me will extend the mania. ('Dog whistle' anyone?) I would like to thank friends on here for their kinder words and once again - I am so, so sorry."

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After reflecting on his comments the day before, Baker added: "I would like once and for all to apologise to every single person who, quite naturally, took the awful connection at face value.

"I understand that and all of the clamour and opprobrium I have faced since. I am not feeling sorry for myself. I [messed] up. Badly.

"I am aware black people do not need a white man to tell them this. Deleting it immediately and apologising for the awful gaffe I even foolishly tried to make light of it. (My situation that is, not the racism involved.) Too late and here I am."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48226247

[pk]

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so what's the bias that you're suggesting the I (presumably) suffer from?

[Mark]

Everyone has biases and they're not all bad, you don't have to "suffer" from them.

I wanted to give people the full picture so they can make their own mind up. I don't really care what your biases are as long as they're not hurtful, discriminatory, inflammatory etc but it sounds like you're after a fight, I'm not.

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> it sounds like you're after a fight, I'm not.

if someone calls someone out as being biased (or implies the same) and the someone asks why, I can?t see how the person who asks the question is the one who?s after a fight

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> > > > thinking

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> I guess that you realise that there's no logic in

> what you said so the logical response is indeed to

> dismiss it out of hand

Sure. So let me use your logic to comment. You're no doubt a classic black (I guess), woman (I guess)...therefore always wanting to play the victim and emotively tell everybody else how they should be living life.....

For clarity people, I think the above statement is disgusting. But it applies the same logic which pk used in his/her opening gambit......

[pk]

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> Sure. So let me use your logic to comment. You're

> no doubt a classic black (I guess), woman (I

> guess)...therefore always wanting to play the

> victim and emotively tell everybody else how they

> should be living life.....

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> For clarity people, I think the above statement is

> disgusting. But it applies the same logic which pk

> used in his/her opening gambit......

It doesn?t follow the same logic at all

I didn?t describe anyone as a classic white man

I described feeling entitled to determine what is and isn?t racist probably from a position of little direct experience as classic white middle aged male arrogance on the subject of racism, like comparing what the guy who posted it on reflection described ?utterly racist? to calling monkey nuts monkey nuts

[TheCat]

You described the poster as such. Don't Try and hide from it....

[pk]

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> You described the poster as such. Don't Try and

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It?s there for all to see, maybe you got too outraged before you got to the second line?

[TheCat]

Cryptic words but you're a cuuuunt.......

We can all do that

[TheCat]

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> they

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> It doesn?t follow the same logic at all

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> I didn?t describe anyone as a classic white man

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> I described feeling entitled to determine what is

> and isn?t racist probably from a position of

> little direct experience as classic white middle

> aged male arrogance on the subject of racism, like

> comparing what the guy who posted it on reflection

> described ?utterly racist? to calling monkey nuts

> monkey nuts

It isn't racist becuase my guardian mates say it isnt.....

Pk...you can deny as much as you like...when you say

classic white (I'm guessing) middle aged

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There's no getting around that......thats prejudiced......

Feel free to again deny it.....your a hypocrite....accept it....

[pk]

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Classy response tho

[TheCat]

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I like how you didnt respond to the multitude of rational responses, you chose the one pisstake...speaks volumes.....