Revised new - M&S planning application to replace Iceland..

[yeknomyeknom]

Jeremy, I stand by my analogy.

Otta, I'm not going to trawl the forum for evidence for you. It's what I feel.

I assume the post above is what you feel? I didn't ask for evidence to support your view.

Now we have both said what we feel. What a great forum.

[Earl Aelfheah]

To be fair, Louisa does a pretty good line in sneering (not that this justifies it from anyone else)

[robbin]

To be honest, my post was not intended to be sneering at Iceland or at anyone who goes to Iceland - it was more driven by how irritated I get at the ridiculous reverse snobbery trotted out by Louisa and one or two others on here about Iceland and M&S/Waitrose(as well as so many other entities).

[Otta]

Louisa does it to flame. It clearly works.

yeknomyeknom Wrote:

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> Jeremy, I stand by my analogy.

>

> Otta, I'm not going to trawl the forum for

> evidence for you. It's what I feel.

>

> I assume the post above is what you feel? I didn't

> ask for evidence to support your view.

>

> Now we have both said what we feel. What a great

> forum.

Nice bit of passive aggression there.

[robbin]

And there!

[Otta]

How so? I was telling you that Louisa likes to wind people up. Your responses to her show that she's having some level of sucess, hemnce the fact she's currently banned from the main section.

And to yeknomyeknom I was just saying that I don't think that (maybe Louisa aside) there is the same level of anti M&S/Waitrose, as there is nasty comments about Iceland. I have no problem with people wanting something other than Iceland, it's the vitreol that SOME have poured over Iceland customers that I think is pretty unpleasant.

[Administrator]

Please stay on topic (That's not aimed at you Otta by the way, it's at people discussing other people, their attitudes etc and not the M&S application)

[DulwichFox]

I would like to see Iceland stay but happy to see M&S/Waitrose replace the Co-op.

The Co-op supposedly the People's supermarket is hardly what it set out to be when established in 1844.

It's dreadful in there, expensive. Apart from the many items on or near their Best By / Use By dates..

Let's keep Iceland and ditch The Co-op

DulwichFox

[LondonMix]

I think most of the comments against Iceland have been along the lines of ?the food is disgusting and the shop is an eyesore? rather than, ?only gross poor people shop at Iceland so let?s close it down.? I?m not saying the former sentiment is correct (I?ve never been to Iceland but I?ve learned on this thread the store has good veg and cheap dairy apparently!) but it?s not really sneering at the costumers either.

I also agree the reverse snobbery comments along the lines of ?only people with more money than sense committed to social cleansing of working class Dulwich? were primarily trolling / wind-ups.

I?m glad it?s an M&S rather than a Waitrose. I like Waitrose and would happily shop at one but ultimately it?s more of a generic supermarket. M&S is more special occasion picnic food, fancy snacks etc which at least is some variety compared to the other supermarkets already in the area. I get their single serving salads all the time from Waterloo so this will be much more convenient.

Louis PMd me the links to the updated planning documents that were posted last month. Haven?t read them but it certainly suggests things are moving forward.

[derwentgrove]

LondonMix, please do share the link on the updated planning documents (I can't see anything new on the Southwark website relating to the application reference that was granted last year). PS - If Louisa is going to PM useful information of this sort, is it perhaps time to reconsider the decision to 'Lounge' her?

[Earl Aelfheah]

Someone's rude comments aren't mitigated by being 'just trolling'. If the intention is to deliberately wind others up (as opposed to causing inadvertent offense), surely that's even worse.... and quite sad.

[Jeremy]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> I would like to see Iceland stay but happy to see

> M&S/Waitrose replace the Co-op.

That would probably be the ideal outcome... the Co-op is poorly stocked, inferior quality food (IMO), and isn't cheap - hard to see any advantages. But unfortunately it is hard for local residents to influence such things.

[LondonMix]

Link as requested:

http://planbuild.southwark.gov.uk/documents/?casereference=15/AP/1186&system=DC

[Earl Aelfheah]

Personally, I'd like an M&S Food hall where Iceland currently is and a Waitrose where Co-op is.

[LondonMix]

Me too! That would definitely be the best of both worlds.

I wonder if Waitrose are considering the old East Dulwich Deli site. The owners keep doing short pop-up leases, suggesting something is afoot.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Too small I'd have thought

[maxxi]

I like some of the stuff in Iceland and I think some of it is garbage, I think the Co-op is having an identity crisis but I like the staff at both shops and when I can't be arsed to go to Lidl or Sainsburys they're fine.

If they were replaced by M&S, Waitrose, Aldi, etc etc I'm guessing the same shit would apply. As long as we don't end up with a Tescos or Morrisons.*

Asda would be okay too.

*Why should they be left out of the furore?

[yeknomyeknom]

Co-Op's own brand food is a shocker. My young son was eating a sausage roll (one of his favourite things) from there the other day and was spitting bits out saying it had pips in it. I had to inform staff of little nibbles in all the bags of popcorn and in lots of the bread wrappers. Clearly a mouse problem. It's grim.

[Jeremy]

Not convinced that M&S replacing Iceland and Waitrose replacing Co-op really is the "best of both worlds".

I thought we were constantly being told that people rely on Iceland because they can't afford to shop elsewhere, and are unable to get to Peckham?

[Blackcurrant]

It's great to see more active moderation on this forum. LOTS of people avoid it because of the mindless arguing. Hopefully it will get a bit friendlier and more people will want to contribute.

[Callie]

Blackcurrant Wrote:

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> It's great to see more active moderation on this

> forum. LOTS of people avoid it because of the

> mindless arguing. Hopefully it will get a bit

> friendlier and more people will want to

> contribute.

?

[Callie]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Not convinced that M&S replacing Iceland and

> Waitrose replacing Co-op really is the "best of

> both worlds".

>

> I thought we were constantly being told that

> people rely on Iceland because they can't afford

> to shop elsewhere, and are unable to get to

> Peckham?

I agree. I think it's good to have a variety of shops to suit all pockets. I for one wish we could still have an Iceland & if I had a magic wand I'd put it where Foxton's is.

[Jeremy]

Personally I don't use Iceland, but if people really do depend on it then clearly losing it is not ideal. Especially when high street space is taken up with the Foxtons idiot factory.

[DulwichFox]

With so many other Estate Agents on Lordship Lane I fail to see why Foxtons always

gets singled out as some sort of bad guy..

.. Why so much resentment. ??

DulwichFox

[LondonMix]

I think in this instance, its the size of the premises. Most agents have small office and Foxtons space is one of the few larger units that could actually accommodate a business that needs something that size for operational efficiency and can't open here as a result.

Also, of the various agents Foxton has the worst reputation for aggressive tactics and dishonesty... (just saying)