Obama to allow young Illegals Work permits

[woodrot]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/15/barack-obama-end-deportation-undocumented-migrants

from the Guardian (other news sources are available, T&C apply )

Thoughts, Musings, comments ( no polemics please )

[Alex K]

Good for him. Ties them into the tax / benefits / health care systems. Integration into society rather than discrimination and rejection.

These are kids who were brought by their parents, grew up American without more than hearsay contact with their parents' cultures (well, they couldn't exactly go "home" summers to visit their nan, could they?)... acknowledge that they're Yanks and embrace them as such. Points up the Republicans for the spiteful racists that they are.

[uncleglen]

Oh Goody- my nephew won't get arrested

[Jah Lush]

What Alex K said.

[Loz]

I don't understand one of the criteria

They are currently in school, have graduated from high school, have obtained a general education development certificate, or are honorably discharged veterans of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces of the United States;

Does the USA really have illegal immigrants in the armed forces??

[woodrot]

yes, you join the US army and not be a citizen but pretty much only as a grunt

[KidKruger]

....not if you're illegally in the USA.

[saleem]

Alex K Wrote:

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> Good for him. Ties them into the tax / benefits /

> health care systems. Integration into society

> rather than discrimination and rejection.

>

> These are kids who were brought by their parents,

> grew up American without more than hearsay contact

> with their parents' cultures (well, they couldn't

> exactly go "home" summers to visit their nan,

> could they?)... acknowledge that they're Yanks

> and embrace them as such. Points up the

> Republicans for the spiteful racists that they

> are.

This is ignorant, partisan rhetoric. Although neither side of the political spectrum enjoys a monopoly on racism, the Democrats have had a disproportionate number of senators exposed as clansmen compared to the RepublicansSen. R Byrd (who recieved a state funeral) being a notable example

[woodrot]

Southern Democrats are not east coast liberal pussys bludz

[saleem]

Regardless of where they come from, Democrats are, statistically, more likely to harbour racist tendancies than the right-wing. Their ideology encourages this, whereas classical liberals of old, like JFK, were more centrist than Obama's administration, who lean further left than their predecessors. With any luck we'll see a GOP victory this year.

[Loz]

saleem Wrote:

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> Regardless of where they come from, Democrats are, statistically, more likely to harbour racist

> tendancies than the right-wing. Their ideology encourages this, whereas classical liberals of

> old, like JFK, were more centrist than Obama's administration, who lean further left than their

> predecessors. With any luck we'll see a GOP victory this year.

Since it is 'statistically' I assume you can provide a link to said statistics?

[woodrot]

saleem Wrote:

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> Regardless of where they come from, Democrats are,

> statistically, more likely to harbour racist

> tendancies than the right-wing. Their ideology

> encourages this, whereas classical liberals of

> old, like JFK, were more centrist than Obama's

> administration, who lean further left than their

> predecessors. With any luck we'll see a GOP

> victory this year.

I think you need to expand on this idea, its a paradigm too far for me & Ive not come across it outside the construct of Southern Democrats bludz.

[DJKillaQueen]

There are no statistics to back this up. Yes the Republican party was founded with the abolition of slavery as one of it's core aims and yes the Southern Democrats were at the heart of the formation of the Ku Klux Klan but that doesn't mean that the democrats today harbour any more racism within their ranks than the Republicans. Pretty much all main parties in the US are right wing. There's no equivalent for example to the Labour Party, not in a historical or modern day form. American politicians are a product of the culture they grow up in just like anyone else. American culture per se is right wing.

[????]

Er.....and right wing equals racist as a matter of course? Or is that what the liberal book of paint by number politics has under its definition?

[DJKillaQueen]

No but racism within politics is often labelled as a right wing view. The point I was making is that culture has far more to do with racism than polical allegiance (i.e. the Souhern Democrats formed the Ku Klux Klan because they were southerners more than because they were democrats).

[saleem]

http://www.game-warden.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Ever since LBJ enacted Affirmative Action the DNC has effectively locked the African American mindset into the liberal plantation. Liberal policies since JFK's more centrist administration have sought to affirm and foster a dependance and entitlement mentality among minorities i.e - keep them dependent on our 'benevolence' and 'good will' and before they know it they won't know what to do without us. It's worked a charm, too. 90% of African Americans voted for Pres. Obama. Mainly because he's black, which is a natural inclination, but also because he promised to raise taxes i.e - more money being funnelled into welfare, which African Americans are disproportionately dependent on. They didn't take any notice of same sex marriage legislation proposed by the Obama administration, or the DADT law in the military being lifted which is diametrically opposed to the deep Christian background the majority of black families in the U.S. are rooted in. That was overridden by the opportunity to get more for less (at the expense of hard-working Americans, regardless of colour or creed). They won votes on a promise of more tax Dollars going into funding welfare programmes, which minorities often depend on. Not to mention the victim mentality that's been pounded into the minds of African Americans by successive liberal administrations and overbearing, paternalist white liberals who don't consider the African Americans capable of looking after themselves. A reflection of that can be found in various forms among the British left-wing.

All of the above keeps the African American who buys into the liberal-progressive propaganda of today's DNC a slave on th eliberal plantation. Dependence on that level should be strongly discouraged at every corner.

[woodrot]

Saleem - please tell me what you have posted is a wind up or some kind of C&P mash up - its the most hateful, most cynical aspects of M.X / panthers / Cleaver / Newton rolled into one and vomited onto the pavemets of LordShip Lane for all to step around.

[saleem]

How is any of what I've written hateful? It's not. Neither is it a combination of C&Ping.

[Huguenot]

Don't think that was the point was it?

"Food stamp recipients are 37.2 percent Black and 46.2 percent White. Medicaid benefits are paid to 27.5 percent Black recipients compared to 48.5 percent White clients."

Think it was just tired bullshit from a bullshitter?

[Huguenot]

Just to clarify Saleem, I've got nothing against whites, I'm just pointing out that your racial profiling is a load of old cockpull.

[saleem]

Without a link to what I'm assuming you've lifted from a source elsewhere online, you're in breach of copyright law.

[Huguenot]

That's right baby boy, duck the numbers :)

I'm waiting for you.

[Huguenot]

"US government writes retirement and disability benefit checks to 35.4 million recipients of whom 88.7 percent are White and 9.6 percent are Black."

Come on Nazi boy, let's see you knock the welfare figures...

I'm going to let you guess for a leeeedle bit, and then I'm going to spank you with them ;-)

How high are you going to hang yourself from before you discover that the biggest recipients of welfare are whitey boyz??

[saleem]

The typical hallmark of a liberal: call someone you're losing an argument to a Nazi. I've displayed no such tendancies. You lose, kiddo.

[Huguenot]

Ha ha ha ha

Come on pookie, you can do better than that.