Football in the park

[lindylou]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> lindylou - it's easy (and lazy) for people to call

> grave insults on people over the internet as I'm

> sure you know (seeing as you're experiencing it

> !).

> I'm also concerned that some groups of the

> population are experiencing higher than average

> infection (not sure about deaths, but assume it's

> same proportion for all group ?). Reasons are

> surely attitude, awareness, social pressure and

> cultural.

Thank you kid. It's my point exactly. I'm not being racist, merely pointing out that some cultures are exactly that. But in the present climate it's not helping themselves or others they come into contact with.

[binkylilyput]

Some communities are more disadvantaged. That means poorer living conditions, less space etc. Also people with less money are more likely to have to go to work, travel on public transport plus do jobs that are more "frontline".

The disadvantages that the BAME community face remain widespread........I would have thought this hardly needs to be stated.

I personally haven't observed any substantial difference in social distancing between the two high streets of Peckham or East Dulwich recently. Both are busy.

[lindylou]

binkylilyput Wrote:

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> Some communities are more disadvantaged. That

> means poorer living conditions, less space etc.

> Also people with less money are more likely to

> have to go to work, travel on public transport

> plus do jobs that are more "frontline".

>

> The disadvantages that the BAME community face

> remain widespread........I would have thought this

> hardly needs to be stated.

>

> I personally haven't observed any substantial

> difference in social distancing between the two

> high streets of Peckham or East Dulwich recently.

> Both are busy.

Yes, both areas have become busy, I totally agree. But some areas have become busy with no social distancing.

[lindylou]

lindylou Wrote:

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> binkylilyput Wrote:

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> > Some communities are more disadvantaged. That

> > means poorer living conditions, less space etc.

> > Also people with less money are more likely to

> > have to go to work, travel on public transport

> > plus do jobs that are more "frontline".

> >

> > The disadvantages that the BAME community face

> > remain widespread........I would have thought

> this

> > hardly needs to be stated.

> >

> > I personally haven't observed any substantial

> > difference in social distancing between the two

> > high streets of Peckham or East Dulwich

> recently.

> > Both are busy.

>

> Yes, both areas have become busy, I totally agree.

> But some areas have become busy with no social

> distancing.

Do you not think children from any ethnicity have a hard time?

[lindylou]

lindylou Wrote:

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> lindylou Wrote:

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> > binkylilyput Wrote:

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> > -----

> > > Some communities are more disadvantaged. That

> > > means poorer living conditions, less space

> etc.

> > > Also people with less money are more likely

> to

> > > have to go to work, travel on public

> transport

> > > plus do jobs that are more "frontline".

> > >

> > > The disadvantages that the BAME community

> face

> > > remain widespread........I would have thought

> > this

> > > hardly needs to be stated.

> > >

> > > I personally haven't observed any substantial

> > > difference in social distancing between the

> two

> > > high streets of Peckham or East Dulwich

> > recently.

> > > Both are busy.

> >

> > Yes, both areas have become busy, I totally

> agree.

> > But some areas have become busy with no social

> > distancing.

>

> Do you not think children from any ethnicity have

> a hard time?

Whose she, the cat's mother? And I think it's more of a class thing lately. Send the kids from the government school back, shield the others. All kids from working class families have no hope. Be that black, white or yellow.

[seenbeen]

Working class kids did very well when grammar Schools were ubiquitous....again personal experience in case you ask lindylou!

[pk]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> lindylou - it's easy (and lazy) for people to call

> grave insults on people over the internet as I'm

> sure you know (seeing as you're experiencing it

> !).

who's 'calling grave insults on people'?

and why is it important to know that 8 put of 10 people playing football were BAME (maybe)? because that's where this started

[alice]

This Peckham v Dulwich thing has been on this forum for years. It?s always been very thinly veiled racism. But to use it now, with this pandemic, is obscene.

I would shut the thread down. It serves absolutely no purpose.

[fishbiscuits]

If we're going to toss around anecdotal observations, I've seen far more black people wearing face masks than white people.

[KidKruger]

I'm not sure lindylou was expressly making a point about one area being more supreme than another area, though I guess it's possible to construe anything if you want.

I think it's important in discussions like this to read the words people write, rather than making-up a back story to what they write in order to create a Gotcha moment.

alice Wrote:

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> This Peckham v Dulwich thing has been on this

> forum for years. It?s always been very thinly

> veiled racism. But to use it now, with this

> pandemic, is obscene.

>

> I would shut the thread down. It serves absolutely

> no purpose.

[KidKruger]

So there you have it lindylou people calling you racist !

So easy for people to do when not stood in front of you. So lazy.

"Oooh, but I never actually SAID the word 'racist', so you can't accuse me of calling you that - are you paranoid ?!".

Just like lindylou never said anything racist (or even implying that he/she were in any way racist).

This has been on this forum for years, always been very thinly veiled accusations of racism. But to use it now, with this pandemic, is obscene.

[binkylilyput]

Lindylou you seem to have responded to my post twice......and neither responses particularly make sense in reference to my post!

Of course there are children from all ethnic backgrounds who struggle. That wasn?t my point.

And I don?t know who the cat?s mother is- I didn?t use the word she at all?!

My point is quite clearly that the BAME community is worse off across all socioeconomic markers. The health of these groups is far worse as a result. This is well known and widely documented.

Inequality.

Anyways, back to football?

[alice]

kk youve made a confusing double response to my post. Maybe you could reread what I had written. I didnt refer to the poster lindylou.

[rachp]

lindylou Wrote:

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> > > binkylilyput Wrote:

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> > > > Some communities are more disadvantaged.

> That

> > > > means poorer living conditions, less space

> > etc.

> > > > Also people with less money are more likely

> > to

> > > > have to go to work, travel on public

> > transport

> > > > plus do jobs that are more "frontline".

> > > >

> > > > The disadvantages that the BAME community

> > face

> > > > remain widespread........I would have

> thought

> > > this

> > > > hardly needs to be stated.

> > > >

> > > > I personally haven't observed any

> substantial

> > > > difference in social distancing between the

> > two

> > > > high streets of Peckham or East Dulwich

> > > recently.

> > > > Both are busy.

> > >

> > > Yes, both areas have become busy, I totally

> > agree.

> > > But some areas have become busy with no

> social

> > > distancing.

> >

> > Do you not think children from any ethnicity

> have

> > a hard time?

>

>

> Whose she, the cat's mother? And I think it's more

> of a class thing lately. Send the kids from the

> government school back, shield the others. All

> kids from working class families have no hope. Be

> that black, white or yellow.

The majority of kids at state schools in SE22 are not underprivileged. But I imagine that many who can be, will be back at school on 1st June because the evidence currently available shows that young children are not at risk from Covid 19.

[Penguin68]

My point is quite clearly that the BAME community is worse off across all socioeconomic markers. The health of these groups is far worse as a result. This is well known and widely documented.

Inequality.

If you weight for deprivation etc. (i.e. weight to remove this as a variable) then you still find a disproportionate mortality from Covid-19 amongst BAME groups. (A recent Horizon or Panorama, I forget which, published these figures). Mortality goes up with age, with (some) ethnicities, with co-morbidities and with sex - men being almost twice as vulnerable as women. (The chances of infection go up in multiple people households and amongst groups more likely to meet others in a close contact context - which is a social deprivation link as it reflects work-type).

Co-incidentally (or not) Vitamin D deficiency is also a key marker (but correlation does not imply causation) for suffering badly from Covid-19 infection - something frequently seen amongst both the elderly and in BAME populations in Northern climates, though not, I would have thought, within any one group, sex-linked.

For once referring out to race, and specifically to skin colour in a UK context if there is a Vitamin D link, is not wholly unreasonable when discussing violation of the behaviour norms of social distancing urged by HMG. This does not excuse an unthinking and casual reference out to race, of course. Had there been one. Scientific evidence suggests that in the case of Covid-19 'race' is not a lazy shorthand for 'social deprivation' as regards mortality rates.

These figures are all based around serious/ fatal infections. I have no idea whether BAME individuals (once deprivation is weighted out) are more or less likely initially to contract the virus, in any given contact context.

[pk]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> I'm not sure lindylou was expressly making a point

> about one area being more supreme than another

> area, though I guess it's possible to construe

> anything if you want.

>

> I think it's important in discussions like this to

> read the words people write, rather than making-up

> a back story to what they write in order to create

> a Gotcha moment.

>

>

>

so perhaps you can explain why it's important to identify ratios of white to not white playing football in dulwich?

and what that's got to do with Rye Lane?

[KidKruger]

I wouldn't dream of trying to explain why other people do things pk, nor what they think is important or otherwise.

You could ask them yourself I reckon.

[pk]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> I wouldn't dream of trying to explain why other

> people do things pk, nor what they think is

> important or otherwise.

> You could ask them yourself I reckon.

but you've done this multiple times on this thread already!

[KidKruger]

I was saying previously that I didn't think a poster was racially motivated.

[pk]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> I was saying previously that I didn't think a

> poster was racially motivated.

but in doing that you didnt consider why someone would think that it was important to distinguish white people from the rest when playing football in Dulwich? or how this had anything to do with Peckham?

so what did you consider before reaching your conclusion and calling out others for things they haven't done?

[KidKruger]

I was saying previously that I didn't think a poster was racially motivated.

If you disagree tough shit.

If you think someone was being racist report it to whoever you think will listen to your claim.

Gotcha moment free zone !

[Mountain walker]

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[pk]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> I was saying previously that I didn't think a

> poster was racially motivated.

> If you disagree tough shit.

>

> If you think someone was being racist report it to

> whoever you think will listen to your claim.

>

> Gotcha moment free zone !

i'm pretty sure that it's only you playing a gotcha game (but you're still probably losing).

i'm just trying to understand what you (and others) are saying about e.g. peckham and what peckham's got to do with alleyns playing fields and to understand why people think it's important to identity footballers at alleyns as white or not white

(i think it isn't and think that to think it is important to classify people playing football as white or not is odd and then to jump from alleyns to 'facts' about peckham is a jump based on stereotypes and anecdotal observations not facts at all)

i can see you've got no coherent thoughts on this so i'll not expect any sensible response - 'tough shit' is the best you can come up with!

[KidKruger]

pk I don't care what you don't understand.

If you wanna know what lindylou was on about in their posts, ask them.

[pk]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> pk I don't care what you don't understand.

> If you wanna know what lindylou was on about in

> their posts, ask them.

I did

But you answered

I?m not sure why