East Dulwich boundaries

[the-e-dealer]

Camberwell Sainsburys would be full of winos but a bit posher!

[El Pibe]

Parishers smarishes, no historical precedent is complete without a unicorn lair!!

[woodrot]

East dulwich is a state of mind.

[the-e-dealer]

Oh dear another thread has gone weird.

[Bic Basher]

If we use ED as the area surrounding the Lordship Lane shopping area, I'd say it starts at the top of DKH including those surrounding streets which are in SE15 off Grove Vale up, then up to Peckham Rye Common up to just past the where it then becomes 'Honor Oak' on the Southwark side.

East of EE I'd go for Townley Road with LL east of there including the Dulwich Library/Plough shopping area and up to the Wood Vale boundary as being in Dulwich. This distinguishes between the main shopping area of LL and the smaller retail areas at the eastern end.

[the-e-dealer]

Well good call on woodvale its a borough boundary half in lewisham.

[aquarius moon]

Bellenden Road area has become so hip/trendy/up-market that ED residents like to think it is theirs.

If it was a s***hole, they would be the first to admit it is in Peckham.

(Which it is!)

[edhistory]

Bic Basher Wrote:

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> If we use ED as the area surrounding the Lordship

> Lane shopping area, I'd say it starts at the top

> of DKH including those surrounding streets which

> are in SE15 off Grove Vale up, then up to Peckham

> Rye Common up to just past the where it then

> becomes 'Honor Oak' on the Southwark side.

>

> East of EE I'd go for Townley Road with LL east of

> there including the Dulwich Library/Plough

> shopping area and up to the Wood Vale boundary as

> being in Dulwich. This distinguishes between the

> main shopping area of LL and the smaller retail

> areas at the eastern end.

That is pretty accurate excepting the PECKHAM CREEPS and the FOREST HILL ADJUSTMENTS.

You probably noted how your description follows the natural features of our valley.

John K

[edhistory]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> To repeat my question - why should historical

> boundries be considered more relevant than modern

> ones?

Who said that?

John K

[the-e-dealer]

Perhaps we are all doomed.

[jcn]

Bellenden road is definitely peckham. First time I have ever heard anyone trying to suggest otherwise. Even estate agents would struggle to stretch east dulwich that far.

[woodrot]

Bellenden WANTS to be Peckham bludz.

[ladida]

What is everyone going about, SE22 is East Dulwich, everything else is NOT. Not SE15, SE23, SE21 and SE24. Boundaries are what they are.

[Huguenot]

Ladida, the only thing SE22 is, is SE22 - a post office sorting administrative block. It has nothing to do with East Dulwich beyond vague correlation.

I don't see why you should be allowing faceless bureaucrats in the post office who have never been to the area tell you what constitutes East Dulwich?

It's silly.

Postcodes change all the time based on postie workload - nothing to do with geography.

[ladida]

I don't live in Peckham, Forest Hill, Honour Oak, Herne Hil or Dulwich Village.

[Huguenot]

Well, I'm guessing that you live in East Dulwich? Hurrah! :D

But if you let the post office tell you where you live, then one day you may go to sleep in East Dulwich and wake up in Forest Hill because it's more convenient for the delivery team ;)

[the-e-dealer]

Postcodes arent boundaries. The Boundary Commssion sets boundaries please keep up!

[Burbage]

the-e-dealer Wrote:

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> Postcodes arent boundaries. The Boundary Commssion

> sets boundaries please keep up!

It sets electoral boundaries, but they're more a statistical exercise than anything. They don't override administrative, ecclesiastical or postal boundaries, and the Electoral Commission are not the only boundary-fiddlers. London boroughs can create new 'community councils', within their own area, wherever they wish if the residents agree to it, irrespective of any pre-existing boundaries.

But what matter in human terms are the physical, geographical boundaries that can be seen, patrolled and defended. Humans are, broadly, territorial; our homes are our castles, we strongly identify our personal space, and we define ourselves, at least in part, by where we live in terms of manors, patches and stamping grounds.

In a state of nature, the boundaries would be physical features - topographical barriers in their own right. Rivers, coastlines, mountain ranges, floodplains, forests and so on, with the odd magic stone where necessary. Later, these same barriers informed the division of land into kingdoms and dioceses and parishes and manors, decided less by maps and paper and more by the tonnage of slaughtered peasants. Areas that could not be defended against marauders, whether bent on blood or taxes quickly stopped being areas in their own right.

Although we now have relative peace and comparative stability, our money disappearing not into the pockets of bloodthirsty Danish invaders but the urbanely nebulous accounts of French rubbish companies and German bus operators, the ancient topographical boundaries largely remain. Dog-Kennel Hill, Dawson's Hill and Peckham Rye are there for all to see. Rivers may have been buried, forests stunted and floodplains made drier, but in their place, are railway lines, parks, fences and uncrossable roads that often follow near-identical lines and similarly act as psychological, if not physical, barriers.

That doesn't mean that virtual landgrabs haven't been made. "Dulwich Wells" in Sydenham were so called mainly for advertising purposes, and we're all aware of the misinadvertencies of estate agents. But for practical and visceral reasons advertisers, estate agents and boundary commissioners all belong in much the same sack.

[Huguenot]

'misinadvertencies'?

That was so good it was a googlewhack. Ripsnorting!

[the-e-dealer]

The Boundary Commisson CAN change administrative boundaries and the Thread Title IS "ED Boundaries" even though they are of only partial relevence.

[Huguenot]

Hmm. Any area has a boundary. You're talking as if the only type of boundary is an electoral one.

The responses on this thread clearly highlight that the actual location of the boundary is different dependent upon which mechanism you choose to describe the East Dulwich area: electoral, or postcode, or any other.

[the-e-dealer]

No I'm not i even say they only have partial relevence. Can i be any clearer.

[computedshorty]

I have been wondering should a new house be built in Cyrena Road, what would its Post Code be.

[malumbu]

I actually don't live in East Dulwich (and proud not to, to) but I can almost spit into it. I am sure it has been discussed already but we have some of SE23 that it in Dulwich.

The reason I post on this site is due to the dullness, censorship and control freakery of SE23.com. And all the opposites here, although some of you do come over as pompous knobs. Takes one to know one of course.

[Otta]

Haha, fair play for the honestly there!