If you are fighting a losing battle....

[aquarius moon]

I know how you feel.

It's a new year soon, so hang on in there.

Somebody may listen one day...

And if not...

It's their loss.

[Parkdrive]

Aquarius if your words are aimed at the likes of Loz and Mamaora Man, especially after their shameful performance on the Foie Gras thread, don't give up. They, and others like them, simply try to bully others off of the EDF so that can have it as some kind of forum for their own views, and woe betide anyone who raises a contary opinion. Don't let them have that pleasure. Speak wherever and other you feel you must!!

[Marmora Man]

And now self pity.

[Santerme]

aquarius moon Wrote:

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> I know how you feel.

>

> It's a new year soon, so hang on in there.

>

> Somebody may listen one day...

>

> And if not...

>

> It's their loss.

I am at a loss, is that the same thing?

[????]

QPR fan?

[red devil]

Nice Christmas ?????? :)

[????]

Yup, horse came in, we didn't embarrass ourself at The Emirates, and I made up some lost ground in the prediction league :)

You fella?

[red devil]

Nah, horse didn't win, our defence has got more holes than the shop window display of Ann Summers, and my lead in the prediction league is being eroded away by a pesky cockney ;-)

[aquarius moon]

Parkdrive Wrote:

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> Aquarius if your words are aimed at the likes of

> Loz and Mamaora Man, especially after their

> shameful performance on the Foie Gras thread,

> don't give up. They, and others like them, simply

> try to bully others off of the EDF so that can

> have it as some kind of forum for their own views,

> and woe betide anyone who raises a contary

> opinion. Don't let them have that pleasure. Speak

> wherever and other you feel you must!!

It is aimed at anyone who feels strongly about something & is not being listened to....

Kind of like banging your head against a brick wall.

Fellow animal lovers like ourselves are never going to win any discussions on here because we are a small minority against a bigger majority.

But as the saying goes:

What goes around comes around.

[Voyageur]

aquarius moon Wrote:

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> Parkdrive Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Aquarius if your words are aimed at the likes

> of

> > Loz and Mamaora Man, especially after their

> > shameful performance on the Foie Gras thread,

> > don't give up. They, and others like them,

> simply

> > try to bully others off of the EDF so that can

> > have it as some kind of forum for their own

> views,

> > and woe betide anyone who raises a contary

> > opinion. Don't let them have that pleasure.

> Speak

> > wherever and other you feel you must!!

>

>

> It is aimed at anyone who feels strongly about

> something & is not being listened to....

> Kind of like banging your head against a brick

> wall.

> Fellow animal lovers like ourselves are never

> going to win any discussions on here because we

> are a small minority against a bigger majority.

>

> But as the saying goes:

>

> What goes around comes around.

Hmmm...... people will hear what you say (post) but does that mean you expect them to then agree with you? I think that is a tad naive - and passive aggressive posts about not being listened to won't help either. Probably the best thing to do is to put forward an intelligent, reasoned stance/argument and let others make their own minds up. The way some descend into abuse (I am not suggesting that you have) is an automatic fail and their credibility disappears in a puff of hot air.

[Lowlander]

If you cleaned up your own house first then people might take you more seriously. Arguing about foie-gras prodcuction when the milk in your tea comes from badly treated cows is a tad hypocritical.

[aquarius moon]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> If you cleaned up your own house first then people

> might take you more seriously. Arguing about

> foie-gras prodcuction when the milk in your tea

> comes from badly treated cows is a tad

> hypocritical.

Excuse me!! Who said I drink milk?!

I actually drink my coffee black, only drink herbal tea & when I do need milk, use Oat/Rice Dream.

It is full of vitamins & calcium, available from all major supermarkets, is dairy free & doesn't come from cows!

[Lowlander]

aquarius moon Wrote:

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> Lowlander Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > If you cleaned up your own house first then

> people

> > might take you more seriously. Arguing about

> > foie-gras prodcuction when the milk in your tea

> > comes from badly treated cows is a tad

> > hypocritical.

>

>

> Excuse me!! Who said I drink milk?!

>

> I actually drink my coffee black, only drink

> herbal tea & when I do need milk, use Oat/Rice

> Dream.

> It is full of vitamins & calcium, available from

> all major supermarkets, is dairy free & doesn't

> come from cows!

Good stuff! Glad to hear it. Just the quorn ethic to get over, and I'll respect your opinion on foie gras. Which would mean we agree in principle.

[DJKillaQueen]

I stopped reading the foie gras thread some time ago (supporting a ban as I prefer to eat humanely reared meat). I would echo Voyageur's post Aquarius and say that those who overstep the mark in debates are there for all to see. Focus on your own arguments, keep them intelligent and based in fact and others will see that. Never get wound up by the minority of slightly deranged posters on here. It's just a forum (and all forums have them). For those few, many more read and can see who's being grown up, and who isn't :) x

[aquarius moon]

DJKillaQueen Wrote:

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> I stopped reading the foie gras thread some time

> ago (supporting a ban as I prefer to eat humanely

> reared meat). I would echo Voyageur's post

> Aquarius and say that those who overstep the mark

> in debates are there for all to see. Focus on your

> own arguments, keep them intelligent and based in

> fact and others will see that. Never get wound up

> by the minority of slightly deranged posters on

> here. It's just a forum (and all forums have

> them). For those few, many more read and can see

> who's being grown up, and who isn't :) x

Thank-you DJKQ.

I don't think I've ever overstepped any marks or been abusive or aggressive.

That's just not me as I'm into love & peace & all that!

But I do get frustrated and annoyed by certain posters & I have to stick up for my beliefs & for the animals x

[DJKillaQueen]

I don't think you've ever been abusive or agressive either.....that's my point. Most people will always see an articulate point made, as just that. Equally they will see rudeness, abuse etc, for what it is too. You will probably find that many more people do share your views than the few that challenge them here.

[Isla]

aquarius moon - you haven't been abusive or aggressive. Nor do you have to justify to people whether you drink milk or not.

Most decent people who try to do their very best for animals/animal welfare, whether that is by being vegetarian or an ethical meat-eater are not going to get it right all of the time, but the point is, they do try.

You're not fighting a losing battle, there are others who do listen and even if they don't necessarily agree all the time, they hear you. Keep posting xx

[civilservant]

I suppose a bit of abuse and public posturing is the price we pay for having an active forum. Unfortunately people like aquarius moon get an unfairly large bit of the stick simply because they are too nice to retaliate in kind.

I do hope that they'll keep on reminding us how we can do better, in spite of all the petty nastiness that's sent their way.

[aquarius moon]

Really appreciate the last 3 posts from DJKQ, Isla & Civilservant.

Someone is listening!

Happy new year x

[Annette Curtain]

Actually I thought AQ was quite mean to me in this post

I DON'T think I deserved the tart response (see below)

:)

Re: X factor

Posted by aquarius moon November 18, 09:47PM

Annette Curtain Wrote:

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> HAHAAAAAaaaaaaa

>

> Hahhhhh ahhhhhhHHaaaaaahhh aaa!

>

> You're way too funny!

>

> (elvis is dead btw)

Maybe you should return to your own thread & leave us, in this thread to mourn our losses.

[Parkdrive]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> aquarius moon Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Lowlander Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > If you cleaned up your own house first then

> > people

> > > might take you more seriously. Arguing about

> > > foie-gras prodcuction when the milk in your

> tea

> > > comes from badly treated cows is a tad

> > > hypocritical.

> >

> >

> > Excuse me!! Who said I drink milk?!

> >

> > I actually drink my coffee black, only drink

> > herbal tea & when I do need milk, use Oat/Rice

> > Dream.

> > It is full of vitamins & calcium, available

> from

> > all major supermarkets, is dairy free & doesn't

> > come from cows!

>

> Good stuff! Glad to hear it. Just the quorn ethic

> to get over, and I'll respect your opinion on foie

> gras. Which would mean we agree in principle.

First of all Lowlander makes an assumption that you drink milk, then after you put him right, he posts a very patronising response. Keep going aquarius, keep going and rise above the type of assumptions made by the likes of Lowlander (he's not alone in making sweeping generalistic statements by the way). If the likes of you or anyone else for that matter has a opinion which certain posters don't like, don't be bullied by them. This forum is not their property. Most of them post while they're skiing or snow boarding, because its so now darling.

[aquarius moon]

.

[AbDabs]

aquarius moon Wrote:

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>

> I actually drink my coffee black, only drink

> herbal tea & when I do need milk, use Oat/Rice

> Dream.

> It is full of vitamins & calcium, available from

> all major supermarkets, is dairy free & doesn't

> come from cows!

You know that Oat stuff you drink - you do know what they use to fertilise the fields where they grow the oats don't you?

(Clue - a) hideously evil manufactured chemicals that cause havoc to the natural wildlife, b) that nasty brown stuff that only exists because of all the dairy cows (remember all those little boy calves who have to die...). Rice might be better, but I've never checked what country it comes from, so you might want to do a bit of research on what they use - it's pretty unlikely that anything that has been produced on a large scale hasn't had something to boost the fertility of the soil in a way that might make you uncomfortable.)

[aquarius moon]

Annette Curtain Wrote:

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> Actually I thought AQ was quite mean to me in this

> post

>

> I DON'T think I deserved the tart response (see

> below)

>

> Re: X factor

> Posted by aquarius moon November 18, 09:47PM

>

> Annette Curtain Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > HAHAAAAAaaaaaaa

> >

> > Hahhhhh ahhhhhhHHaaaaaahhh aaa!

> >

> > You're way too funny!

> >

> > (elvis is dead btw)

>

>

> Maybe you should return to your own thread & leave

> us, in this thread to mourn our losses.

Actually you did deserve it because you were taking the p*** (as usual!)

It might have been a big joke to you, but not to the serious viewers who couldn't believe that Ella was kicked out instead of Rylan.

Not everything is funny!

Long gone, in the past & it's New Year,

So have a great one x

[Lowlander]

Parkdrive Wrote:

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> Lowlander Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > aquarius moon Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > Lowlander Wrote:

> > >

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> >

> > > -----

> > > > If you cleaned up your own house first then

> > > people

> > > > might take you more seriously. Arguing

> about

> > > > foie-gras prodcuction when the milk in your

> > tea

> > > > comes from badly treated cows is a tad

> > > > hypocritical.

> > >

> > >

> > > Excuse me!! Who said I drink milk?!

> > >

> > > I actually drink my coffee black, only drink

> > > herbal tea & when I do need milk, use

> Oat/Rice

> > > Dream.

> > > It is full of vitamins & calcium, available

> > from

> > > all major supermarkets, is dairy free &

> doesn't

> > > come from cows!

> >

> > Good stuff! Glad to hear it. Just the quorn

> ethic

> > to get over, and I'll respect your opinion on

> foie

> > gras. Which would mean we agree in principle.

>

>

> First of all Lowlander makes an assumption that

> you drink milk, then after you put him right, he

> posts a very patronising response. Keep going

> aquarius, keep going and rise above the type of

> assumptions made by the likes of Lowlander (he's

> not alone in making sweeping generalistic

> statements by the way). If the likes of you or

> anyone else for that matter has a opinion which

> certain posters don't like, don't be bullied by

> them. This forum is not their property. Most of

> them post while they're skiing or snow boarding,

> because its so now darling.

My post wasn't patronising. We're all making assumptions on this thread, and I admitted that mine was wrong. I made a mistake. And I posted an admission, because when the facts change, so does my thinking.

So you can take your assumptions and stick them in your pipe and smoke them :-)