Very Strange ingredients

[uplandrd2020]

Removed for linking to old articles, incorrect facts about Covid etc. Please stop it.

Admin

[Boddle]

That is a virus that infects chimpanzees, used to carry the SARs COV 2 spike protein. Produced in kidney cells. Not part of a chimpanzee. Viruses aren't humans or animals.

[Penguin68]

The only truth here is that it is genetically modified. Which is the way you make this ad ort of vaccine. The rest is anti vaxer rubbish or distortion.

[fishbiscuits]

"Chimpanzee adenovirus vector" does not mean "Chimpanzee cells".

And a cell line originating from a single aborted fetus (many years ago) does not mean that your vaccine contains bits of unborn baby.

I wonder if admin could remove this thread, perhaps?

[uplandrd2020]

fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> "Chimpanzee adenovirus vector" does not mean

> "Chimpanzee cells".

>

> And a cell line originating from a single aborted

> fetus (many years ago) does not mean that your

> vaccine contains bits of unborn baby.

>

> I wonder if admin could remove this thread,

> perhaps?

It is listed as what it contains, surely it should say how it is made instead, either way, some people may object to taking something made in this way

[JohnL]

There was a question and answer session on this. One of the first questions asked was "is it halal".

and YES it is.

[JohnL]

Don't forget Smallpox was beaten by a cow virus - Cowpox.

"How the Oxford COVID-19 vaccine works

The ChAdOx1 vaccine is a chimpanzee adenovirus vaccine vector. This is a harmless, weakened adenovirus that usually causes the common cold in chimpanzees. ChAdOx1 was chosen as the most suitable vaccine technology for a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine as it has been shown to generate a strong immune response from one dose in other vaccines. It has been genetically changed so that it is impossible for it to grow in humans. This also makes it safer to give to children, the elderly and anyone with a pre-existing condition such as diabetes. Chimpanzee adenoviral vectors are a very well-studied vaccine type, having been used safely in thousands of subjects."

https://www.research.ox.ac.uk/Article/2020-07-19-the-oxford-covid-19-vaccine

[uplandrd2020]

If it is so Safe and effective, why is it necessary for UK Gov to give the Pharma companies legal indemnity

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-legal-indemnity-safety-ministers-b1765124.html

JohnL Wrote:

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> Don't forget Smallpox was beaten by a cow virus -

> Cowpox.

>

> "How the Oxford COVID-19 vaccine works

> The ChAdOx1 vaccine is a chimpanzee adenovirus

> vaccine vector. This is a harmless, weakened

> adenovirus that usually causes the common cold in

> chimpanzees. ChAdOx1 was chosen as the most

> suitable vaccine technology for a SARS-CoV-2

> vaccine as it has been shown to generate a strong

> immune response from one dose in other vaccines.

> It has been genetically changed so that it is

> impossible for it to grow in humans. This also

> makes it safer to give to children, the elderly

> and anyone with a pre-existing condition such as

> diabetes. Chimpanzee adenoviral vectors are a very

> well-studied vaccine type, having been used safely

> in thousands of subjects."

>

> https://www.research.ox.ac.uk/Article/2020-07-19-t

> he-oxford-covid-19-vaccine

[Jules-and-Boo]

you're not allowed to talk about it being anything other than safe and effective. There are media bans on FB, Twitter.... although this says it's banning misinformation

[JohnL]

UK and others countries have a "No Fault compensation scheme" for all vaccines so companies making the vaccine don't get sued - not just Covid

This article suggests the sum paid should be increased for COVID but the point is that indemnity for the company developing the vaccine is common for all vaccines.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00065-7/fulltext

[fishbiscuits]

uplandrd2020 Wrote:

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> It is listed as what it contains, surely it should

> say how it is made instead, either way, some

> people may object to taking something made in this

> way

Thank you for modifying your original post, and no longer claiming the virus contains cells from chimpanzees and human fetuses.

Yes I am sure you are right, some people may object to potentially millions of lives being saved using this technology. Some people object to all sorts of things. Some people are idiots.

[uplandrd2020]

fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> uplandrd2020 Wrote:

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> > It is listed as what it contains, surely it

> should

> > say how it is made instead, either way, some

> > people may object to taking something made in

> this

> > way

>

> Thank you for modifying your original post, and no

> longer claiming the virus contains cells from

> chimpanzees and human fetuses.

>

> Yes I am sure you are right, some people may

> object to potentially millions of lives being

> saved using this technology. Some people object to

> all sorts of things. Some people are idiots.

You are right about potentially millions as we don't have an accurate count of deaths, did they die of covid or with covid?

A Department of Health and Social Care source summed this up as: ?You could have been tested positive in February, have no symptoms, then be hit by a bus in July and you?d be recorded as a Covid death.?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/21/analysis-why-englands-covid-19-death-toll-is-wrong-but-not-by-much

[alice]

you have to die within 28 days of catching covid for it to be called a covid death.

ps ive reported this thread too.

[uplandrd2020]

alice Wrote:

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> you have to die within 28 days of catching covid

> for it to be called a covid death.

>

> ps ive reported this thread too.

Yes, they say that every hight on the News, it does not mean they died of Covid it means they died with Covid.

Someone terminally ill with another disease in a hospice who also has Covid is counted as dying with Covid

It's a real fact so not sure what you've reported this for.

[vegancow]

I think its important to have accurate data on something so important, we have changed all our lives based on this data. There is a big difference between of or with.

[fishbiscuits]

The number of deaths within 28 days of testing positive for covid in the UK is quite close to the excess deaths over and above the average rate. 119K vs 116K so far. So if it has been over-counted, it is only fairly marginal.

So not only are you spreading false info about vaccines, you're also trying to play down the tragic death toll.

[alice]

uplandrd2020 Wrote:

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> alice Wrote:

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> > you have to die within 28 days of catching

> covid

> > for it to be called a covid death.

> >

> > ps ive reported this thread too.

> Yes, they say that every hight on the News, it

> does not mean they died of Covid it means they

> died with Covid.

> Someone terminally ill with another disease in a

> hospice who also has Covid is counted as dying

> with Covid

> It's a real fact so not sure what you've reported

> this for.

I reported this because you wrote that being 'hit by a bus' months after covid would qualify as a covid death. increasing our sad total further.

[NewWave]

I've reported too.

[uplandrd2020]

alice Wrote:

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> uplandrd2020 Wrote:

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> > alice Wrote:

> >

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> > -----

> > > you have to die within 28 days of catching

> > covid

> > > for it to be called a covid death.

> > >

> > > ps ive reported this thread too.

> > Yes, they say that every hight on the News, it

> > does not mean they died of Covid it means they

> > died with Covid.

> > Someone terminally ill with another disease in

> a

> > hospice who also has Covid is counted as dying

> > with Covid

> > It's a real fact so not sure what you've

> reported

> > this for.

>

> I reported this because you wrote that being 'hit

> by a bus' months after covid would qualify as a

> covid death. increasing our sad total further.

I did not say that, it was written in the Guardian article that I linked to. This Public Health emergency has changed our lives, all im saying is are we sure the numbers are correct.