EU Commission: What next?

[Sephiroth]

for a man closing on 50, you have never left the playground have you Cat?

[TheCat]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> for a man closing on 50, you have never left the

> playground have you Cat?

I dont believe I've ever discussed my age. But it's its interesting the charactiture of me that you've formed.....

[Sephiroth]

Am I wrong on the age then?

And caricature? How so?

[Sephiroth]

I mean, at least if you are a man close to 50 it would explain most of your thinking

I'd be horrified to think you were a young buck with thoughts like this. Instead of Frost you would be more like Grimes

* shudder *

[TheCat]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> I mean, at least if you are a man close to 50 it

> would explain most of your thinking

>

> I'd be horrified to think you were a young buck

> with thoughts like this. Instead of Frost you

> would be more like Grimes

>

> * shudder *

I've had a go at you before for playing the man, not the ball. In that context, its interesting that you want to put me into a convenient 'bucket' that makes you comfortable to judge me, and okay with dismissing my views......

[Sephiroth]

I don't think I put you in a bucket, other than assuming you were a man close to my own age?

When you chafed at that I joked about young bucks

as for dismissing your views - I did that loooong ago. You are the current holder of the "forum reactionary who enjoys tweaking the nose of the libs while pretending they are merely objective and rational" accolade but your views speak for themselves

I don't think I'm playing the man by pointing out that your views and presentation are questionable. You very much pride yourself on your brand - don't complain if someone points out the brand isn't all that

[keano77]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> keano has lost the plot here - it was never

> triggered and was never going to be

>

EXPLAINER

What is Article 16 and why did the EU make a U-turn after triggering it?

https://news.sky.com/story/what-is-article-16-and-why-did-the-eu-make-a-u-turn-after-triggering-it-12202915

European Commission president apologises over triggering of Article 16

... Irish MEPs in Brussels have said more clarity is needed on how the clause came to be triggered by the commission...

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/european-commission-president-apologises-over-triggering-of-article-16-40076641.html

I understand your confusion Sephiroth. EU propaganda is a bit like falling down the rabbit hole, ie, transporting someone into a wonderfully (or troublingly) surreal state or situation.

Definitely Stockholm Syndrome

[Sephiroth]

It was never ever implemented. Even ?triggering? is weird because after months of uk threatening to trigger it, it only took one evening of eu even mentioning it for uk to get a fit of the vapours

Would serve you well to read non British media Keano. Your partly in this mess because of such a meagre diet

[Effra]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> as for dismissing your views - I did that loooong

> ago. You are the current holder of the "forum

> reactionary who enjoys tweaking the nose of the

> libs while pretending they are merely objective

> and rational" accolade but your views speak for

> themselves

>

> I don't think I'm playing the man by pointing out

> that your views and presentation are questionable.

> You very much pride yourself on your brand - don't

> complain if someone points out the brand isn't all

> that

Be realistic YOU are the prime "forum reactionary" and you invariably play the man and not the ball. Just look at your first response in this thread. Thinks of pots and kettles!

Also you said earlier "UK is beginning to realise it is Foooked". If it is foooked in your opinion, then you are totally free to return to The Republic and enjoy all the benefits of the EU.

[Sephiroth]

I don?t get upset if people tackle me directly

I am indeed free to move back to Ireland. Thank you so much for reminding me. What a gracious host. It seems churlish to point out that in the intervening years I have English relatives and two young daughters who wouldn?t be as keen as I am to move to Ireland because they don?t have the wider purview of where their country is headed and they are VERY much attached to their friends here and now

None of which would be a problem were it not for the childish vanity project that is Brexit

[Sephiroth]

In the meantime let?s go back in time and look at promises made in 2016

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/13/brexit-wont-hurt-northern-ireland-at-all--instead-it-will-bright/amp/

And now?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/04/eu-jeopardising-belfast-agreement/amp/

Any scintilla of acknowledgement they were wrong? Of course not. Always someone else?s fault. Always.

They were clueless and they lied.

They made claims that were not theirs to make

And people believed them

[keano77]

Are these non-British enough for you?

Ursula von der Leyen issues apology for triggering Article 16 of Northern Ireland Protocol

https://www.independent.ie/news/ursula-von-der-leyen-issues-apology-for-triggering-article-16-of-northern-ireland-protocol-40073999.html

EU chief Ursula von der Leyen 'deeply regrets' triggering article 16 and threatening hard border in Ireland

https://www.irishpost.com/news/eu-chief-ursula-von-der-leyen-deeply-regrets-triggering-article-16-and-threatening-hard-border-in-ireland-203500

Von der Leyen: 'Mistakes were made' in triggering of Article 16

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40223846.html

[Sephiroth]

Ok well played on those headlines. I still maintain it wasn?t ?triggered? and it was only mooted. That?s my reading and I am open to the possibility I?m wrong and that events were set in motion beyond which Im acknowledging. It remains that nothing was implemented and was a storm in a teacup

But nowhere in those articles is there anything close to ?eejitry? or anyone bemoaning lack of sovereignty.

[keano77]

Eejitry and lack of ?sovrinty? was just me playing around as you know.

And yes, it was a storm in a teacup as both sides find a middle way in our new relationship.

[Sephiroth]

Unusually conciliatory there. But I don?t think either is true is it?

[TheCat]

well, if nothing else, isn't this more fun than the 5 letter word game thingy.....

[Sephiroth]

Oh dear god yes !

[Effra]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> I don?t get upset if people tackle me directly

>

Nobody tackled you directly or anyone else for that matter. You bailed up like a rabid dog to the OP.

> I am indeed free to move back to Ireland. Thank

> you so much for reminding me. What a gracious

> host. It seems churlish to point out that in the

> intervening years I have English relatives and two

> young daughters who wouldn?t be as keen as I am to

> move to Ireland because they don?t have the wider

> purview of where their country is headed and they

> are VERY much attached to their friends here and

> now

>

Surely there's a parental responsibility to full acquaint one's children with "the facts" whilst providing a "wider purview of where this country is headed" . Give them a chance to concur with your view that "the UK is foooked", as you say. If your views make sense, they will tag along with you when you jump this sinking ship and return to The Republic. You will be doing them and yourself a favour.

Maybe better not to rush away as the vaccination program is not going too well there according to the Irish Time...

""There is ongoing pressure on the Government to ramp up vaccination, from the Opposition and from its own backbenchers. Kildare North TD James Lawless sent a memo to the Taoiseach on Friday, calling on him to negotiate any spare doses with the UK, as well as to get Johnson & Johnson?s vaccine in place ahead of European Medicines Agency approval. He also said consideration should be given to ?going beyond the [EU] bloc procurement? and also examining whether Russia can supply doses of its Sputnik V vaccine ?in a useful timescale?.""

Seems the only thing the EU can achieve solidarity on is vindictive and spiteful retribution related to Brexit.

[JohnL]

Well first one I google says it was a proposal

https://www.thejournal.ie/ursula-vaccine-rollout-5350362-Feb2021/

Although the below is quite a confusing sentence

"European Affairs Minister Thomas Byrne yesterday said the Irish government is seeking a new safety clause to prevent other suggestions for using Article 16."

[Spartacus]

Wow

You lot so obviously need the pubs to reopen and to have a bout of fisticuffs on a Friday night to release your lock down tensions 😱🤕

[Sephiroth]

It?s not just a Friday night thing - for me it?s every waking moment of every day

Anyway. Clearheaded summary is here

http://beergbrexit.blog/2021/03/07/brexit-2-months-in/

[Effra]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> It?s not just a Friday night thing - for me it?s

> every waking moment of every day

>

There's a very fine line between such preoccupation and obsession.

Trump was obsessed with Twitter and look like he turned out!