Lordship lane Co-op wants to open 23/7

[Sue]

fredricketts Wrote:

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> Make Mr Barber Right.

>

>

> I would like to object to the granting of a 24

> hour licence to the co-op at Lordship Lane SE22

> for the following reasons:

>

> 1. We already have too many outlets for 24 hour

> Intoxicating liquor licensing in Lordship Lane.

>

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Please read the whole thread.

THE CO-OP HAS NOT APPLIED FOR A 24 HOUR LICENCE TO SELL ALCOHOL!!!!!

And why James Barber has not come onto this thread to correct this misinformation he is putting about, I have no idea.

But unless he has a very good excuse, my opinion of him has plumeted.

[ianr]

Goose Wrote:

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> So from this website (below) for application lodged on 27th Feb, open 24 hours but alcohol 0600-2300 (except Sunday).

>

> Has my support but what defines 'late night refreshment'

"Late night refreshment" is defined, in Schedule 2 of the Licensing Act 2003, as "hot food or hot drink" provided between 23:00 and 05:00. For that a licence is required. The schedule even states that hot drinks containing alcohol do not fall within its specific provisions. They'd presumably fall within a standard alcoholic drinks licence.

I've so far found no law specifying that any shop in Southwark requires permission or licence to be open 24 hours on any day other than Sunday. I don't know that the the statement within the licence application that it's intended to open for 24 hours a day imports anything beyond a wish to be clearly accurate and truthful. If anyone knows anything more about 24 hour opening where there's no provision of either alcohol or late night refreshment, please do contribute.

[James Barber]

Hi Sue,

I didn't spot your comment before now and it's late. So I'll check it out tomorrow and come back to you.

[the-e-dealer]

oh late night refreshment at the coop Sounds like Nirvana! See you there!

[DJKillaQueen]

Oh dear.....only James Barber would publish the details of a variation of licence application and not read them properly. Or am I being too kind in not assuming he's up to his old tricks of misrepresenting the detail of an application?

Four pages later and James still hasn't acknowledged his error. Meanwhile, the licensing committee may just be wondering why they are receiving objections to the extension of an alcohol licence that hasn't been applied for!

[Betsy Vickers]

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[StraferJack]

Didn't James say they are extending alcohol license AND applying for 24/7?

Aren't both facts true?

Doesn't mean they are opening to sell alcohol 24/7

More personal abuse of a local elected representative (even if we disagree whth him or he gets his facts wrong) is just indicative of childish, petty minds.

I'm willing to bet he works a lot more than betsy vickers for example. I can let some typos pass. "Just sayin". Pathetic

[Alan Medic]

James Barber Wrote:

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> The Coop has applied to extend it current alcohol

> license and apply for a new one to enable it to

> open 24/7.

> This is possible under the Licencesing Act 2003.

>

I understood this to mean they want to open 24/7 and extend the time they can sell alcohol within that period. Who would be silly enough to think it meant they want to sell alcohol 24/7? That would have zero chance of being allowed I'm sure.

[Alan Medic]

DJKillaQueen Wrote:

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> Oh dear.....only James Barber would publish the

> details of a variation of licence application and

> not read them properly. Or am I being too kind in

> not assuming he's up to his old tricks of

> misrepresenting the detail of an application?

>

> Four pages later and James still hasn't

> acknowledged his error. Meanwhile, the licensing

> committee may just be wondering why they are

> receiving objections to the extension of an

> alcohol licence that hasn't been applied for!

They have actually applied for an extension. You would know that if you read the application. Are you going to say sorry?

[Alan Medic]

Sue Wrote:

>

> THE CO-OP HAS NOT APPLIED FOR A 24 HOUR LICENCE

> TO SELL ALCOHOL!!!!!

>

> And why James Barber has not come onto this thread

> to correct this misinformation he is putting

> about, I have no idea.

>

> But unless he has a very good excuse, my opinion

> of him has plumeted.

Perhaps you can clarify where you feel misinformed before your opinion further plumetes?

[Betsy Vickers]

@SJ...

Nope ...

This is how the opening post reads, as at 0700, Saturday 9th March.

The Coop has applied to extend it current alcohol license and apply for a new one to enable it to open 24/7.

This is possible under the Licencesing Act 2003.

This seems like a bad idea. It's one thing having a small corner shop open 24/7 which is likely ot just serve locals and the odd passing trade. We fear the Coop being open 24/7 will become a night time destination and have formally objected.

But what do you think?

If you think it's a good or bad idea please do tell council officials before the 27 March deadline.

Email [email protected] and cope me [email protected]

We don't want such a potentially big decision affecting East Dulwich Night Time Economy to be taken without as much local input as possible.

Sounds pretty unambiguous to me and a misreading of the application, whether deliberate or not.

I've edited my post above because, with hindsight, it was perhaps a tad cruel. So I'll stick to the main point. Seems to me JB has - deliberately or otherwise - misrepresented the application. As to whether JB works "a lot more" than I do, as you're willing to "bet" (FFS), then perhaps he needs to work "a lot more" on how he presents this (and other issues on which he evidently has a personal position) to the East Dulwich Forum.

[DJKillaQueen]

They are only applying to extend the alcohol part by one hour from a 7am start to a 6am start....hardly any difference at all. Not quite the insinuation of extended hours into the night that has been inferred.

The main part of the variation is for late night refreshment. But can't really frighten a local populous with the night time sale of tea and coffee can we.

I suppose Alan that you would say James pre-Christmas inferrment that an application for change of use of a premise would probably lead to another chain supermarket is also in our imagination. James has a history of misrepresenting facts to seek support for his own agenda. There's more than enough evidence of that on EDF alone.

[DJKillaQueen]

My view exactly Betsy.

Had James written instead 'The Coop has applied to extend it current alcohol license by one hour and apply for a new one to enable it to open for the sale of other goods 24/7' then it would read very differently. And had he written that, the following fours pages dedicated mainly to how bad the idea of 24/7 sale of alcohol might not have continued. At no point did James post again to correct those comments. Sue is the person that has pointed out the disproportion in the discussion (and rightly so).

[Alan Medic]

The point is DJ that you said no extension was applied for and now you are saying well yes one has been applied for, but only a little one. So you posted misinformation. Something you can't accuse JB of.

JB attached the application to his post where the details are quite clear and asked people for their opinions having given his own. Just because there may or may not be 4 pages worth of the ramblings of idiots who couldn't be bothered to read the application is hardly JB's fault and more a reflection on those who incorrectly made an assumption.

[DJKillaQueen]

Alan, there are plenty of examples of james being vague and deliberately misleading. Perhaps if he didn't have a history of it then people might be a bit more forgiving of the vagueness of his opening post. So I stand by my view and we'll have to agree to disagree yet again (funny how you rear your head as soon I as post though - a thread you seemingly had no interest in before).

Edited to add....James second post reads 'I don't think it's fair to say people living in areas that were quiet when they moved there, and if pre Tessa Jowell licensing 2003 law it wasnt legally possible to have late night bars and pub let alone 24/7 alcolhol sale, should move if they're unhappy rather than objecting.'

Now if that isn't connecting 24/7 sale of alcohol to the present debate then I really am the fool that James takes us all for.....

[mynamehere]

There is no single thing that has destroyed lives and the high street more than betting shops. I do not think the Islington High Street is riddled with them. How could any right minded adult have open pandora's box of evil except to think the poor need their pursuits. No different at all than Payday Loan companies helping the underclass through xmas.

I have a great respect for ... almost all your posts DJ but in this instance what are you on about?

Of course, it must be, that any discussion about the hight street can be connected to all discussions about the high street. Really there is a 1984 tendency to "thought police" on this forum with clear right to rule political overtones.

Please do not think I am taking "sides" on "Lordship Lane Co-op", I am not.

[Betsy Vickers]

What have betting shops and payday loan companies got to do with a supermarket wanting to extend its opening hours (and ONLY to extend the hours during which it can sell booze by ONE hour, not, repeat NOT, to offer 24/7 off-licence facilities)? Jeez, Louise ... talk about missing the point!

[Louisa]

Talk about a storm in a teacup. Lucky we don't have more important things to worry about around here or we could all end up banging our heads on brick walls sporadically across the neighbourhood.

Louisa.

[Sue]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Sue Wrote:

>

> >

> > THE CO-OP HAS NOT APPLIED FOR A 24 HOUR

> LICENCE

> > TO SELL ALCOHOL!!!!!

> >

> > And why James Barber has not come onto this

> thread

> > to correct this misinformation he is putting

> > about, I have no idea.

> >

> > But unless he has a very good excuse, my

> opinion

> > of him has plumeted.

>

> Perhaps you can clarify where you feel misinformed

> before your opinion further plumetes?

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Yes. James Barber said earlier something like "Effectively they can sell alcohol 24 hours". I think it is on the second page.

I will find and copy and paste the post, but I have a laptop problem at the moment.

[Sue]

Re: Lordship lane Co-op wants to open 24/7

Posted by James Barber March 05, 01:50PM

Hi worldwiser,

The Co op have appleid to extend existing licence from 6am-10pm to 5am-11pm and applied for a second licence to sell alcohol 11pm to 5am. Effectively they can sell 24hours.

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The part in bold is incorrect so far as I can see, as the second part was for refreshments, which do not cover alcohol.

So basically, James posted correct information in his original post on this thread, but has subsequently muddied the water with incorrect information, which other people have now picked up on and are repeating the inaccuracy that the Co-Op are wanting to sell alcohol 24 hours, rather than just wanting to be open 24 hours.

With a tiny extension of an hour for alcohol sales in the morning.

So perhaps the person accusing me of accusing James Barber wrongly could apologise :)) :)) :))

Unless I turn out to be wrong, in which case I shall grovel :)) :)) :))

[Alan Medic]

Now I'm confused. Why no mention of a second application in the OP? Perhaps JB could post that application here too.

[DJKillaQueen]

My point mynamehere is the same as Sue's above. That the extension of the alcohol licence is a red herring as it is only an extension of one hour, at the beginning of the day and will not change the hour at which the co-op stop selling alcohol each day. And that James B has deliberately mislead people by confusing that with premises that sell alcohol 24/7.

If there is a second application it should be up on the southwark site. I'll have a look.

[DJKillaQueen]

Just had a look, there is no secondary application as far as I can see to vary hours of sale of alcohol from 23.00 hrs to 05.00 hrs.

http://app.southwark.gov.uk/Licensing/LicPremisesAppliedResults.asp?TypeDesc=Premises%20Licence&RegisterType=LPA&CaseNumber=&TradingName=&ApplicantName=&StreetName=Lordship+Lane&PostCode=%25&Ward=&batch=5&submit=Continue

[Alan Medic]

If that's the case JB needs to explain his post. I will be interested to hear what he has to say if there is no 2nd application.

[Penguin68]

With the number of people working into the evening in LL in the eating and drinking establishments, together with shift workers at e.g. Kings - the offer of extended opening for shops where you can get necessities (and a hot drink and snacks) seems like a very good idea which adds to the amenities of the area - or maybe these sort of people don't vote Lib Dem.

24/7 life marks a vibrant city - I don't want to live in a one pony burb where the only sign of life is the smoke rising from the (CPZ surrounded) crematorium.