BNP ad in Ham & High

[david_carnell]

Well spotted AnnaJ....a keen eye as always!

Google BNP and "Tony Parkes". Seems our Tony has a lot to say about the BNP on lots of sites. Telegraph, Times, etc.

What do you do Tony, hunt out sympathisers?

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

I'm all for hunt sympathisers. Tallyho.

[SteveT]

Good old Tony Parkes batting straight for the BNP raising everyones conciousness of their success!

Polling 14% matching the Lib/Dems, well thats not much use if they are the same as the lib/dems, they aren't gonna change the world in a hurry 1 out of 10 for effort.

PS didn't slip by our annaj did you, she's mustard, bet you wish you hadn't bothered now Tony heh. I've bin there 'n got the war wounds 'n the steveT-shirt;-)

[bignumber5]

Forum CSIs annaj and david_carnell, I salute you!

I've followed the googling advice above and see that Tony Parkes has made the point elsewhere that he is of an older generation and that if he looked down from his fighter-plane in 1940 and saw todays Britain, he'd let the Germans through. This does perhaps lend some weight to our previous points about different norms for different generations.

He also says elsewhere that he feels that "It is a real pity that the BNP continues to be supported by a vociferous minority who simply don?t have the intellectual capacity to make what is actually a very simple argument stack up."

Come on Tony, don't be shy: We await your simple arguement...

(edit for typos)

[SteveT]

wot's a CSI(?)

[bignumber5]

Clever Crime Scene Investigator people, following the evidence rather than taking things at face value, as seen in many glamorous channel5 shows ;-)

[SteveT]

oooooooh, ta!

Yeah, she might be high maintenance, but she is like a close weave illegal fishing net, nothing gets passed annaj:)

[mockney piers]

just heard on Radio4

"One of the great misconceptions about immigration is they do the jobs British folk can't be bothered to do.

Like clean toilets, drive buses, score 20 goals a season."

Racism can never be rationalised no matter how much anyone declares it to be so; it's hate, pure and simple.

[????]

mmmmm.....fairly predictable stuff.

Right - I can't stand the BNP and think their policies are laughable

...on the other hand I have old friends and relatives who are largely from or certainly have their roots in the east end and east London have 'seen', or at least 'feel' that 'their' communities have been 'swamped' and many have and are considering voting BNP, I argue with them about this but a frightening number of them will, at least in the local elections, vote BNP. The irony is that they are mainly traditional labour voters and , of course, mix, work, have neighbours, friends, relations and even partners who are from ethnic minorities....I dare say far more than smug, 'right-on' liberal SE22 which is hideously white and 'unswamped' by any stretch of the imagination...It makes me think that when largely decent hardworking white working class people are turning to the BNP then we should be brave enough to at least question some of the effects of continued mass immigration on our country without being branded 'racist'

[SteveT]

I heard frederick forsyth on any questions yesterday, and he said that we cannot cope with a half a million immigrants every year, we are not geared up to cope with it on a regular basis.

Mr dimblebey said he had 'mentioned the unmentionable', but he did get some hefty applause.

[Moos]

????, what do you mean by 'hideously white'? I don't disagree with the tenor of your post, but am not sure what that means.

[SeanMacGabhann]

freddy forsythe - THAT bastion of common sense

[Keef]

Not sure who it was, but a guy on Radio 4 yesterday made the very good point that one should be able to have, and voice concerns about immigration without having the racist label slapped straight on them. When that happens, they are more likely to slope off and vote BNP, because other parties are too scared to address things for fear that they too will be labelled racist.

At the end of the day there are issues with immigration levels, and sections of society (not just white working classes) are unhappy with it, I don't think there is any question of that. The problem is, there doesn't seem to be an obvious solution, and it has almost become a taboo subject because groups like the BNP have gotten hold of it, so to express a view on it runs you the risk of being viewed as a sympathiser of one of these groups.

Did that make sense? :-S

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Perfectly, Keef.

[Marmora Man]

I'm with Keef on this - Britain, as an island, is one of the most populous countries in the world. It is also very attractive to incomers as a vibrant economy (this government's latest shenanigans notwithstanding). These two facts cannot be sustained for ever.

AS I said in my earlier post - writ large the same problem applies to the world - world resources cannot sustain an ever growing population. Contraception, education and growing prosperity all tend to slow population growth in the developing world. None of these will be sufficient in UK if we continue to accept even 100,000 immigrants a year, let alone the quoted 500,000.

I don't have any magic wand solution to propose but would agree the issue must be discussed.