Did you vote in the Local Elections?

[Bic Basher]

goldilocks Wrote:

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> The other thing that struck me (apart from how

> many people were using the space in the background

> when Tristan was speaking for the Tories) was how

> measured his comments were for this medium,

> whereas locally he's been using much more

> polarising language to stoke division. He has now

> deleted it from YouTube but for a long while had a

> clip of him referring to Dulwich Square as 'Ground

> Zero'. I guess he thinks it speaks to his core

> support base but its beyond offensive and shows

> incredibly poor judgement for someone seeking

> public office.

A lot of the division has come from your side by sneering at people who have seen the damage with their own eyes and have been told otherwise by activists and Labour Cllrs who show very little empathy with those on boundary roads.

The other political parties have seen that and of course they'll use it as an attempt to gain those two seats in Dulwich Village from what is a divided electorate. It wouldn't have been the case if the previous measures to control traffic on Court Lane were kept for which nobody argued about.

As for the amount of people on what the pro-LTN supporters call Dulwich Square, but otherwise known as the Court Lane/Calton Avenue/Dulwich Village junction, it appeared to be filmed one day last week when the weather was milder, but there have been days when it's been empty and traders have reported lower footfall.

[heartblock]

I find it offensive that my road is full of slow moving congested traffic every school morning post the 5xLTNs and I'm told it's my 'imagination', 'perception' and my 35 years of living on the same road and same flat isn't a 'real' experience of my own residence... but there you go, one person's offence is another's fair comment.

[Siduhe]

One question - have people had their polling cards through yet? Mine hasn't arrived (Dulwich Hill), which isn't an issue as I know where to vote, but wondered if it's just me?

[march46]

Saw this on Twitter, the ?Ground Zero? reference is horribly distasteful and wholly inappropriate. Deeply worrying coming from a Conservative candidate who wants to represent the Dulwich Village community.

[legalalien]

Interesting thing in DV is that the Labour win in 2018 was (imho) prompted to a considerable degree by traditionally conservative voters expressing their dissatisfaction with the Brexit situation. I doubt that's as much of a consideration this time around, and I wonder (i) whether they feel as strongly about partygate than about Brexit; and (ii) if they do, whether they'll use this vote to express their views- guess that depends on how strongly they feel about LTNs, which we'll no doubt find out on Friday.

I'm not sure quite why the "ground zero" thing is supposed to be so offensive? I know there's a nuclear weapon connection, but it's been used as ordinary idiom for "the source of a massive change" since I was a child. I googled to see if I was going mad and MacMillan said the same?

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/ground-zero_1. If you google there's loads of references to "ground zero for COVID" in the mainstream press, so I don't think I'm imagining things. What am I missing?

ETA just saw the most recent post. It's that the "Ground Zero" (quotes and caps) looks like a reference to NY/ WTC? If that's the case then I agree it's unfortunate.

[Bic Basher]

Siduhe Wrote:

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> One question - have people had their polling cards

> through yet? Mine hasn't arrived (Dulwich Hill),

> which isn't an issue as I know where to vote, but

> wondered if it's just me?

I received mine in February. If you haven't got it, just go to your nearest polling station and give them your details and you'll be able to vote on Thursday. Southwark on 020 7525 7373 will be able to advise.

[Siduhe]

Thanks BB. I've got all my details and if anyone else is in the same situation, you can find your polling station here or on the Electoral Commission Website

https://wheredoivote.co.uk/

[Rockets]

march46 Wrote:

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> Saw this on Twitter, the ?Ground Zero? reference

> is horribly distasteful and wholly inappropriate.

> Deeply worrying coming from a Conservative

> candidate who wants to represent the Dulwich

> Village community.

>

> https://i.imgur.com/ecbMI49.jpg

Can you explain why you find this so offensive - the term ground zero was widely used to describe the epicentre of many things - not just bombs or the WTC...surely he is using it as a metaphor - as in the Square is the epicentre of the problems caused by the LTNs?

[hpsaucey]

TWB Wrote:

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> Supporting women's rights isn't transphobic.

👍👍👍

[CPR Dave]

Rockets quite a lot of people have taken offence and I think the only explanations are 1) ignorance of what the term refers to, or 2) they would use any excuse to get upset about someone having different views to them on LTNs and/or the efficiency of the incumbent local government.

[heartblock]

They haven't really taken 'offence' it's a useful stick to use if one doesn't like the message - we all know that. People use 'offence' when they want to smear a political opponent or a campaign they disagree with. I guess Tristan isn't a very political animal or he would curate his language into the usual word salad we get from most politicians - which I DO actually find very offensive. I heard quite a lot of 'non-offensive' word salad at the Herne Hill hustings...

[legalalien]

I?ve had two more leaflets this evening (one conservative, one Labour). Similar in tone and content to past ones.

[Bic Basher]

hpsaucey Wrote:

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> TWB Wrote:

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> > Supporting women's rights isn't transphobic.

>

> 👍👍👍

But do these supposed 'women's rights' also include trans women? I doubt it.

[JohnL]

Rockets Wrote:

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> march46 Wrote:

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> -----

> > Saw this on Twitter, the ?Ground Zero?

> reference

> > is horribly distasteful and wholly

> inappropriate.

> > Deeply worrying coming from a Conservative

> > candidate who wants to represent the Dulwich

> > Village community.

> >

> > https://i.imgur.com/ecbMI49.jpg

>

> Can you explain why you find this so offensive -

> the term ground zero was widely used to describe

> the epicentre of many things - not just bombs or

> the WTC...surely he is using it as a metaphor - as

> in the Square is the epicentre of the problems

> caused by the LTNs?

After 911 - if you lived through it as its 21 years ago now - it means one thing.

It's funny to think that most of the people I see out in the pub didn't live through it or were too young to remember.

[goldilocks]

Comments about how people are looking for things to be offended at are bizarre in the face of what he said!

Tristan?s comments were unacceptable but it?s just one example of how the anti LTN campaigners (Conservatives , Dulwich Alliance - though they?re essentially one and the same as Clive Rates founded the Dulwich Alliance) make offensive comments to further divide. Like this from one of their spokespeople:

[colville09]

It amused me that even the Tory candidates? leaflet which was delivered today shows their incompetence and arrogance so typical of their government. Their ?manifesto? seems generalised blah blah blah and the environmental proposals odd, I can?t see how repealing parking charges, no thoughts on public transport and double standards on ?unpopular road closures? fit together somehow but what really got me is they are even so stupid they can?t even get their own leaflet right, West Dulwich Station photo is reversed (unless we are now making all our signs back to front to confuse any invading riffraff from Peckham) and the text beneath the final photo says ?use this caption describe the main picture? - believe me I will!

[heartblock]

"the anti LTN campaigners (Conservatives , Dulwich Alliance - though they?re essentially one and the same as Clive Rates founded the Dulwich Alliance)"

is that correct ... are all anti-LTN 'campaigners' in this particular area Conservatives and DA members? Again grouping many people together who don't like these particular LTNs for a variety of reasons and making a judgement about them. I find this offensive.

[Rockets]

goldilocks Wrote:

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> Comments about how people are looking for things

> to be offended at are bizarre in the face of what

> he said!

>

> Tristan?s comments were unacceptable but it?s just

> one example of how the anti LTN campaigners

> (Conservatives , Dulwich Alliance - though they?re

> essentially one and the same as Clive Rates

> founded the Dulwich Alliance) make offensive

> comments to further divide. Like this from one of

> their spokespeople:

>

> https://i.imgur.com/l9TO8tx.png

Ok so the metaphorical comments made about the physical divide the council put in place in the village are designed to further divide the community? Correct me if I am wrong but the council did put a physical divide in place didn't they?

Honestly, so many people seem to spend their lives trying to find things to be offended about...and then telling everyone how offended they are that they took offence to something....#usuallyonsocialmedia

Funny how they only take offence when it is someone with a view opposed to theirs - they are more than happy to turn a blind eye to things that are actually offensive when the colour of the "team shirt" the person wears is the same as theirs!

Few of the usual suspects on here had anything to say about Cllr McAsh's Xmas Day jumper offence (as a primary school teacher he should have known better that children would have inevitably seen it) that was further shared by the leader of our council....but that isn't at all surprising is it?

[trinidad]

Siduhe Wrote:

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> One question - have people had their polling cards

> through yet? Mine hasn't arrived (Dulwich Hill),

> which isn't an issue as I know where to vote, but

> wondered if it's just me?

You should of received your polling card by now, you could give them a call to check you are registered and the polling station you usually use is still the same (sometimes polling stations are moved to other locations).

To check if you?re registered to vote, please contact Electoral Services on 020 7525 7373. Ring today as I suspect they will be very busy tomorrow

[trinidad]

if you want to find out which candidates are standing in your ward:

https://whocanivotefor.co.uk/

[trinidad]

24 hours....

[jazzer]

Otherwise known as "the time for the people to speak with the ballot box".

Councillors, the party's over, your time is up, come in boat no.2

[CPR Dave]

Fingers crossed for the Lib Dems!

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

goldilocks Wrote:

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> Comments about how people are looking for things

> to be offended at are bizarre in the face of what

> he said!

>

> Tristan?s comments were unacceptable but it?s just

> one example of how the anti LTN campaigners

> (Conservatives , Dulwich Alliance - though they?re

> essentially one and the same as Clive Rates

> founded the Dulwich Alliance) make offensive

> comments to further divide. Like this from one of

> their spokespeople:

>

> https://i.imgur.com/l9TO8tx.png

The Tory/Dulwich Alliance candidate is comparing his own bugbear to the events of 9/11 and Stalinist occupation of Germany. It's completely bonkers. The hysterical bleating by some on here about Southwark being a "one party state" is in a similar vein - rhetoric that's offensive to people who actually suffered under one party states.

All of this language is completely disproportionate to what is - as a reminder - a disagreement about whether a couple of junctions in suburban London are open or closed at rush hour. But of course this is happy turf for Johnson's Tory party - if you can incite a culture war by using inflammatory terms like "bumboys" and "letterboxes", you can shift attention away from uncomfortable topics like backhanders from developers, hundreds of millions of pounds spent through the "VIP hotline" for Tory donors, woeful mismanagement of COVID, austerity, Brexit, the affordable housing crisis, the choking of TfL and so much more...

[trinidad]

CPR Dave Wrote:

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> Fingers crossed for the Lib Dems!

Hey CPR Dave, I have returned my postal vote with three crosses for LD, fingers cross hey!!