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[these people on low fixed incomes are reliant on shops such as Poundland for bargains. Therefore, during these difficult times, I struggle to have sympathy with the ‘Independent nature of LL’ argument.


Out of interest, what independent do you think could occupy that space left by Foxtons?


Louisa.

 

I’ve tried to shorten the quote down so it fits better. I hope I haven’t lost any of your points in doing so Louisa.


I do sympathise with the realities of those on lower incomes and can see how lordship lane does not cater to those groups and from that point of view this is a good thing.


Notwithstanding, as mentioned in my previous post ED is getting more chainy. Poundland, pret, Gail’s, Megan’s, joe and the juice all within the last 12 months. I did see another thread where there was a similar discussion and someone mentioned Putney as a positive example. The high street there used to be okay but is now predominantly chains. You could be anywhere, its charm has completely gone. I fear the same is happening here.


In terms of what could’ve been there a decent sized independent restaurant could’ve fit in there nicely from what I can tell walking past. Alternatively could it not have becoming more than 1 unit? (I have no real idea how these things work).

If anyone wants to see the difference, between a poundland shop and a poundland local .google the one in clapham junction.

 

I did. The one in Clapham Junction sounds like a very small shop for commuters?


Could you explain the difference between a Poundland shop and a Poundland local? As far as I can see, the East Dulwich one is being described as a local?


But isn't a local essentially a corner shop? That space on Lordship Lane seems quite large. Is the Poundland in Peckham a local?


Do you have a link to a relevant article? I can't find anything giving useful information.


I quite like Poundland. I have a lovely wren ornament which I bought there several Christmases back. It has a crown - king of birds ❤️ It never got put back into my Christmas box


I would rather have had a Lidl, though .....

Hello sue the poundland shops in peckham are not poundland locals.the difference being a poundland local ls more along the lines of a tesco express or the smaller sainsburys locals.poundland locals sell wines spirits chilled and frozen food freshly baked cakes plus pies pastries fruit and veg lottery tickets sandwiches . There will be some items a pound or less . But not as much as a poundland shop.other items include nappies baby mik or food.plus a few houseware items. 😉

No independents are being threatened with the arrival of Poundland (replacing another chain Foxtons), and the increase in footfall will more than make up for any losses independents make. It’s competition, pure and simple.


except when it comes to rent review time

In terms of what could’ve been there a decent sized independent restaurant could’ve fit in there nicely

Oh jeez. Lordship Lane is lined with restaurants and cafes. But I'm not sure a chain convenience store is much better. Who knows any more?

Chain stores, are absolutely the problem:


- pay poverty wages/ wages subsidised by the tax payer 'in work benefits'

- push up rents, preventing local people from owning their own business/ having job security

- syphon off profits (or at least more likely to, not always) to tax havens

- more likely to be owned by awful, already wealthy shareholders (e.g. Sainsburys is 15% owned by the Qatari government)


Yes they provide cheaper options, but they help create the poverty which requires such cheaper options. If they didn't exist, perhaps their employees could own their own shops/ businesses.

Looks like it will provide an alternative to Co-op, so not a bad thing at all...Perhaps some of the "independents" will up their game a bit.

It's a convenience store, not a supermarket. It's diagonally across the street from 2 other convenience stores and a hardware/dry goods store.


What more convenience do you need? What kind of "game upping" do you want? Another 5p off energy drinks?

The market will sort it out. This site is huge and no doubt the rent and rates are equally so. Probably the only viable business for such a site, at current rents, is something like a Poundland Local.


It's probably very much a sign of the times.

It's a shame Iceland didn't return to ED using the Foxton's site instead.


However Poundland Local will tap into the M&S and Co-op lunch market as they sell sandwiches in most Poundland's these days at a cheaper price than those two stores, while serving the low income population of ED of which despite the area being more affluent still has people in low paid jobs or on Universal Credit.

Chain stores, are absolutely the problem:


- pay poverty wages/ wages subsidised by the tax payer 'in work benefits'

- push up rents, preventing local people from owning their own business/ having job security

- syphon off profits (or at least more likely to, not always) to tax havens

- more likely to be owned by awful, already wealthy shareholders (e.g. Sainsburys is 15% owned by the Qatari government)


Yes they provide cheaper options, but they help create the poverty which requires such cheaper options. If they didn't exist, perhaps their employees could own their own shops/ businesses.

 

Yes let's get rid of the co op,marks &Spencer, coffee shops,pizza chain and it would be a better place to go with all empty shops and just think of All the low paid workers on the dole

RE. Lordship Lane, I just wish the council would remove a lot more of the parking, widen the pavements, put in a bit more seating, planting and bike parking - generally make the Lane much nicer for people to visit and spend their time on. Pedestrianise North Cross Road too, and landscape it properly. That would go a long way to supporting the high street shops. Would give the SUV brigade over on the other thread something new to moan about too.

RE. Lordship Lane, I just wish the council would remove a lot more of the parking, widen the pavements, put in a bit more seating, planting and bike parking -

 

Not sure that would work in practice as widening the pavements would remove the bus lanes leaving a single lane each way. Every time a bus stopped all the traffic in that direction would come to a standstill and the idling would result in increased pollution - not exactly the ideal environment to sit in.

RE. Lordship Lane, I just wish the council would remove a lot more of the parking, widen the pavements, put in a bit more seating, planting and bike parking - generally make the Lane much nicer for people to visit and spend their time on. Pedestrianise North Cross Road too, and landscape it properly. That would go a long way to supporting the high street shops. Would give the SUV brigade over on the other thread something new to moan about too.

 

if wishes were horses, beggars would ride

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