Depressed? Nothing to live for?

[LadyDeliah]

Some potato, but when I was going for the big weight loss I excluded it. For maintenance I think it would be ok so long as it wasn't a big portion used as a filler, but just an additional vegetable.

Yes the low carb diet is very similar to the low GI and works for the same reasons, i.e. the insulin response of the body to refined carbs is what piles on the weight and causes the low energy levels.

If I do have a craving for carbs I try to stick to low GI, except for fruit really, but nothing at all refined.

[Annette Curtain]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> Days of not eating on diet = defensive and

> scrappy

>

> Back to eating days on diet = ooh I don't know

> what came over me!

Starafer

Tell me you've not succumbed to this ?

[StraferJack]

Hell no!

I was just teasing sue a little bit after an earlier post where she said the diet didn't affect her moods. It was meant to be light hearted

[Annette Curtain]

Phew...!

I thought you'd joined the fasting cult thang SJ.

[StraferJack]

*bob* has done a splendid job of expressing my thoughts on diets

People treating food (carbs, meat) as the enemy when it's both sustenance and joy. It's not the food it's what we do when we aren't eating that's the problem

[Annette Curtain]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> *bob* has done a splendid job of expressing my

> thoughts on diets

>

> People treating food (carbs, meat) as the enemy

> when it's both sustenance and joy. It's not the

> food it's what we do when we aren't eating that's

> the problem

Yeah

(like now, sitting on the forum scoffing a bacon sarnie, sliced white, oak smoked, red sauce, black pepper)

[Voyageur]

It's all about finding a pattern of eating and exercising that suits you and your body. I have sailed through life not having much of a weight problem but the menopause has had an effect - I now have to eat less and exercise more to reach the same balance. Gents - just be glad that you don't suffer the menopause (apart from second hand as it were)!

[StraferJack]

Annette blowing the whole suspense of her appearance on the sausage sandwich game on 5 live there

[Annette Curtain]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> Annette blowing the whole suspense of her

> appearance on the sausage sandwich game on 5 live

> there

Note, I said bacon ?

My sausage is quite another matter St Jack, as well you know.

[RosieH]

edcam Wrote:

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> Well the NHS are (quite rightly) unlikely to do

> anything other than play safe. And a "health

> magazine"? Neither of these amount to "science",

> soz.

So where's YOUR science? When I referred you to the NHS, the article states that there is no peer reviewed research that demonstrates any of the benefits claimed for the fast diet. An absence of a peer-reviewed paper showing that something DOESN'T work doesn't mean that it does... Sounds like homeopathy to me.

[edcam]

RosieH Wrote:

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> edcam Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

>

> > Well the NHS are (quite rightly) unlikely to do

> > anything other than play safe. And a "health

> > magazine"? Neither of these amount to

> "science",

> > soz.

>

> So where's YOUR science? When I referred you to

> the NHS, the article states that there is no peer

> reviewed research that demonstrates any of the

> benefits claimed for the fast diet. An absence of

> a peer-reviewed paper showing that something

> DOESN'T work doesn't mean that it does... Sounds

> like homeopathy to me.

I didn't claim to possess knowledge of any scientific research, you did. I know a large number of people that this diet has worked for, whether it's a scientifically proven diet is beside the point - it does work.

[El Pibe]

"whether it's a scientifically proven diet is beside the point - it does work"

This is the sort of thing that will soon use terms such as 'allopathic'. Run for covveerrrrrrr!!

In fairness edcam has a point that if there has been no study at all then that doesn't disprove anything.

Of course if there have been studies that say no, that's another matter.

I generally would say all diets that vary from 'eat less, eat healthily and do exercise' are probably on dubious territory.

[*Bob*]

It's your body, of course. Feel free to stuff it, starve it, pierce it, sell it, euthanise it - I'm all for personal choice; whatever makes your happy, if you say it works for you then crack on and good luck.

I can understand the point of some crashy-style weight loss regime in order to make a big impact - and then after which you still have to do the hard work to maintain your new superbody in perpetuity. Makes sense (though rarely happens).

But a crashy-style weight-loss regime simply to tread water? To make-up for your 'bad' days?! I can't help feeling you're just pissing in the wind. And sooner or later your bladder will be empty. And it'll still be windy.

It's not about living a uniform life or being 'bad' or 'good' - it's the simple maths of calories in and calories out - from today - to the day that you pop your clogs. Sustainability is everything.

If anyone currently doing the 5:2 is still doing it in five years I'll eat my lo-calorie hat. They'll be on to the next fad regime. And if they're anything like my own diet-lovin' friends, they'll all be exactly the same size as they otherwise would have been, give or take a few pounds - only with a few less spaces on the bookshelf.

[Sue]

Along with many people I first heard about the 5:2 eating schedule from a Horizon programme.

The programme focused on the health advantages rather than weight loss.

I can't remember the details now but there were medical indicators which showed significant improvement after following the diet. I expect you can google it. I can't be bothered.

Obviously that wasn't a controlled study using a lot of people, but it still suggests a benefit.

Comparing it to homoeopathy is just absurd.

If you think it's a load of bull then don't go on it, but why diss the people who are finding it helpful?

[Voyageur]

Sue Wrote:

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> If you think it's a load of bull then don't go on

> it, but why diss the people who are finding it

> helpful?

It's just the usual piss artistry on this site sadly :) It is working for me - and is something I can envisage doing long term. Not for everyone by any means - which is fine.

[RosieH]

I'm not meaning to take the piss - I've no doubt whatsoever that it works for weight loss - it's just the miracle other health benefits that are claimed for it that I find less credible.

If there's no clinical evidence that it works, why would I believe hearsay over the word of the NHS or qualified dieticians?

[Sue]

According to this, trials are ongoing at the moment.

One article about the basis for the claimed health benefits is here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/9480451/The-52-diet-can-it-help-you-lose-weight-and-live-longer.html

[Burbage]

minder Wrote:

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> Title of this thread is very misleading.

Not any more, by the look of it.

[Voyageur]

RosieH Wrote:

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> I'm not meaning to take the piss - I've no doubt

> whatsoever that it works for weight loss - it's

> just the miracle other health benefits that are

> claimed for it that I find less credible.

>

> If there's no clinical evidence that it works, why

> would I believe hearsay over the word of the NHS

> or qualified dieticians?

There is no overwhelming evidence for or against the alleged health benefits, which that NHS article acknowledges. The GP who featured on the Horizon programme was pretty persuasive but that's just one person - hardly a clinical trial.

I am ambivalent about the alleged health benfits, apart from the obvious one of losing excess weight over a long'ish period. If there are indeed extra health benefits then whoopee doo :)

My GP, who specialises in all things dietary, said it was fine for me to follow. I'm losing weight bit by bit with a way of eating I find quite easy to stick to and am pretty happy with that.

[Earl Aelfheah]

If you want to loose weight (I'm not even sure that this should be a goal in itself - 'be healthier / fitter' would seem better, but whatever), then why would you not just follow the route of a healthy, varied diet and regular exercise? I just don't get why people are constantly chasing weird, faddy diets that may or may not work, when we know exactly what does.

[Sue]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> If you want to loose weight (I'm not even sure

> that this should be a goal in itself - 'be

> healthier / fitter' would seem better, but

> whatever), then why would you not just follow the

> route of a healthy, varied diet and regular

> exercise?

xxxxxxx

Because of what Voyageur said on page 3 of the thread?