cyclists paying road tax

[natty01295]

Why should they ?

Only motor vehicles with engines Petrol & Diesel should pay because they emit pollution and have a exhaust bicycle don`t

[natty01295]

Please respond with any thoughts ?

[ianr]

> Please respond with any thoughts ?

Lounge.

[Louisa]

How is this a specific ED issue? Plus, there's a lengthy thread all about this in the lounge.

Louisa.

[Townleygreen]

Motorists in electric cars (and a few others) don't pay any Road Tax.

I am a cyclist and pay road tax.

For my car.

[csaddleton]

It's car tax not road tax.

[binary_star]

Vehicle tax.

That's why it's called Vehicle Excise Duty.

[Annette Curtain]

Yes and tax baby buggies too

And wheel barrows

[henryb]

There is no such thing as "Road Tax". There is vehicle excise duty which is based on the vehicles emission levels to discourage polluting vehicles. The revenue from VED is not specifically used to fund roads nor is it a fee entitling road use.

The cost road maintenance funded out of general taxation and an order of magnitude greater than what raised from VED.

Everyone has the right to use the roads.

[Salsaboy]

Cyclists fart. That's pollution!

[natty01295]

Bicycles do Not emit any pollution so do not pay VED tax - or Road tax

Only Motor vehicle; cars / motorbikes / lorry`s / vans, etc

[Townleygreen]

Natty

as I said earlier,

Motorists in electric cars (and a few low polluting others) don't pay any Road Tax.

I am a cyclist and pay road tax.

For my car.

[DulwichFox]

Cyclists Should pay Road Tax...

They expect Dedicated Cycle Lanes and these are available

Also Dedicated Cycle Lane Traffic lights. (Usually ignored by Cyclists)

All this costs money..

Who Should pay for these.

Cylists Do also cause Accidents but do not require insurance.

Anyone can jump on a Bicycle with no experiance and reguardless of age.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

DulwichFox

[LadyDeliah]

Fox, didn't you read any of the previous posts before you commented?

We all pay for roads out of our general taxes. Vehicle Excise duty is levied according the weight (ability to damage the road) and emmissions. Low/zero emmissions cars pay no vehicle excise duty. So how much do you think bicycles would pay?

I addition, as a tax payer, both central and local, I pay for motorways, public car parks and other vehicle infrastructure that as a cyclists I would not use and which cost hundreds of times more than any cycling infrastructure.

The costs to the NHS from pollution and lard arse drivers, also comes out of my pocket. The cost in terms of climate change is paid by all of us, including cyclists who emit no CO2 by their mode of travel.

So as a cyclist who pays tax, I am subsidising motorists, not the other way round.

[DulwichFox]

I have no real problem with Cyclists using the public roads

But..

Cycle Lanes Are JUST for Cyclists.. For their sole use...

someone needs to pay for them..

I do not Cycle..

Why should I pay for them. ?

LadyDeliah:-- "So as a cyclist who pays tax, I am subsidising motorists, not the other way round."

NO you're not...

To suggest you pay for Public Car Parks... ???

Have you ANY idea how much it costs motorists to use them.

They are Money Pots for Local Authorities..

lard arse drivers .. What does that mean..???

So you Never travel by car..

Yes we all pay Taxes.. Including me..

I pay all the same taxes that you pay.

I drive less than 2,000 miles per year. < 40 miles per week..

Still pay ?200.00 Road Tax. ?400.00 Insurance. ?60.00 MOT per year.

and for parking...

Plus I pay Tax on my petrol.

So you are Not subsidising me.

I do not have children but pay for schools..

So if you have kids, I am subsisising you.

As for Pollution..

Well China has few cars and Millions of Bicycles...

Still one of the most polluted countries on Earth.

There are many more factors involved with pollution other than cars.. so when it comes to NHS costs

think about how you heat your home

That will do for now..

Foxy

[LadyDeliah]

You fail to grasp what im saying. Motorways cost many millions to build and msintain as do other motor infrastructure projects from which cyclists are excluded.

Your 'road' tax, does not pay for roads, neither does your insurance (goes to pay for damages and legal fees when you collide with something or someone). Petrol tax and vehicle excise duty don't even touch the costs of building and maintaining motorways and other non-cyclist motorist infrastructure.

Pollution from an increased number of motorised vehicles has been linked to a huge Increase in asthma and other respiratory illnesses, mainly affecting children.

I don't live in China, so their pollution stats are irrelevant.

Lard arses, well it's been proven that car drivers tend to become less active, making unesseary short journeys by car resulting in an increase in all the diseased associated with sedentary lifestyles. Add to that the increased stress due to becoming frustrated by driving on congested roads and motorists are increasing my NGS bill. In comparison, cyclists reduce the demand on the NHS, except when they get mowed down by motorists, of course, because exercise decreases the incidence of our most common illnesses that drain our NHS resources :-)

See, simple really.

[LadyDeliah]

Can't be arsed editing my phone typed typos so grammar and spelling nazis, do one.

[glasshalffull]

How about paying insurance? I've just paid ?536 to have a dent removed from my car caused by a cyclist coming down a one way road and hitting my car with their bike. Spoke to said cyclist at time of incident who told me to drive more carefully and that I was lucky they weren't injured!! Did I have any options to reclaim the money from the cyclist?

[Loz]

If you have contact details (and since there was damage you should have swapped details by law) then your insurance company will chase them for the money if they consider them at fault. Whether they have insurance or not is irrelevant.

[LadyDeliah]

glasshalffull Wrote:

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> How about paying insurance? I've just paid ?536 to

> have a dent removed from my car caused by a

> cyclist coming down a one way road and hitting my

> car with their bike. Spoke to said cyclist at time

> of incident who told me to drive more carefully

> and that I was lucky they weren't injured!! Did I

> have any options to reclaim the money from the

> cyclist?

You are perfectly entitled to seek a remedey in the small claims court, as is anyone else who has damage caused to their property by another person in any other situation.

Car insurance is compulsory because damages are likely to be in the thousands, not hundreds of pounds.

[LadyDeliah]

Plus what Loz said. Only in the post above mine mind you, not in general :-)

[glasshalffull]

The cyclist was in no mood for talking and without physically restraining them I could not prevent them leaving. And of course I could not supply the police with number plate details.

[Loz]

In that case they have left the scene of an accident, which is illegal. You must report the accident to the police noting the other party left without leaving details. I doubt anything will happen (unless you have a good description or a photo), but it will at least register the crime.

Section 170 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 requires drivers/ riders to report to a police officer or police station that they have been involved in an accident involving in any of the following;

any personal injury

damage only, where the other driver/ rider did not stop

damage only, where names and addresses were not exchanged with the other driver/ rider/ cyclist and any other owner of property damaged (even if the other driver stopped)

[LadyDeliah]

Traffic cameras?

[glasshalffull]

Loz, I am grateful for this.

We all know the police will put no effort into finding the cyclist as they have more important things to be dealing with. Also the cyclist was approximately 10 years old.