LTN Discussion

[Administrator]

Apologies, I should have been clearer. Yes, some messages have been removed e.g. "Cllr xyz is a d**k" so my message would have looked out of place. I don't have time to read and clarify all messages and their content, but when it continually strays off into political fires sparked by how "the council are corrupt" and "the council are not corrupt" then it gets boring.

Thank you for self-policing, it really does help.

[heartblock]

Instead of LTNs which divide communities and benefit some at the expense of others... this, partly funded by the Council, could have brought communities together and would have been an alternative mode of local travel rather than private cars.

https://thebiglemon.com

[Waseley]

Community bonds to support low emission bus services deserves a thread of its own. There are many on this thread that seem to have a lot of free time to post on why the LTNs are bad. Their time could be better spent on initiating a community bond scheme in this area. Not a dig but a challenge 😊

[CPR Dave]

Even with a community bus the LTNs qould still be blocking up our roads, ripping us off (?6m!!!) and polluting our children's lungs.

[first mate]

What a very patronising post.

Waseley Wrote:

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> Community bonds to support low emission bus

> services deserves a thread of its own. There are

> many on this thread that seem to have a lot of

> free time to post on why the LTNs are bad. Their

> time could be better spent on initiating a

> community bond scheme in this area. Not a dig but

> a challenge 😊

[Waseley]

Do you have anything to add to the debate? My post was in good humour by also with a tinge of truth. Many are worked up and spend hours on this thread. It is good to channel some if of your energies into positive action.

[first mate]

I rest my case.

[CPR Dave]

Wasely please see the earlier admonishments on this thread from the Adminstrator about going off topic

Please discuss LTNs only in here and stop gaslighting other posters

[heartblock]

Rather than LTNs maybe one-way roads and the local green bus..with seed funding from the 6 million. Townley to Village via Calton could be one way with a local green bus, bypassing other routes. Making journeys shorter by public transport seems a good way to encourage use.

[Waseley]

Stay on thread Heart block or the thought police will get you.... But some interesting views. When new Labour got in they introduced the term stakeholder ie looking for buy in. Wouldn't it be good to have those with all interests sitting around the table, at a national level, to agree how we tackle road emissions, both pollution and CO2

[Bic Basher]

To add to the Townley Road suggestion of making it one way, Court Lane could also be made one way from the Village to LL with two way access for emergency services vehicles.

That way the traffic is circulating using those two LTN roads which would take some pressure off Lordship Lane, East Dulwich Grove and Dulwich Common/College Road.

The other issue is The Grove junction, which is managed by TfL rather than Southwark Council which desperately needs remodelling and was planned to be done before Covid. With TfL still being drip fed funding by the government, they can't plan for the work to commence which would help to relieve residents with live between LL and Dulwich Common such as those on the Lordship Lane Estate and Dukes Court from being pinched by excess traffic caused by the current LTN.

[heartblock]

This would be so much better than LTNs for these estates. One way systems are just as likely to discourage car use ?if? you believe the ?inconvenience will make traffic evaporate? argument. One way will then allow local bus routes and a ?hard? cycle lanes. Court is a perfect LL Village route and Calton a great route for a bus that can then stop at Village Schools, Alleyn?s, Charter and then go down Elsie dropping school kids off before entering Grove Vale...then up to the station around Sainsbury?s and back around again.

[Bicknell]

confusion at dulwich village jctn

last week ambulance didnt know allowed to go through

this week, fire engine

safety first. get more signs in.

[KidKruger]

Was on court Lane the other evening on the way to/from Dulwich Park, there were literally no moving cars on the road at all which for such a massive road is just sick, when other roads are struggling with the overload (and others that were previously quieter are now suffering increased and speeding traffic).

[alice]

One day we will look back incredulous that traffic was moved from the richest, greenest part of town to create arid dead villages in the centre of a major city.

[Metallic]

alice Wrote:

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> One day we will look back incredulous that traffic

> was moved from the richest, greenest part of town

> to create arid dead villages in the centre of a

> major city.

Yet this is what Councillor Leeming wants.

A Village, dead from the neck up.

[Bicknell]

one dulwich article

on council hurting vulnerable people

[heartblock]

Ahh but it is more important that the Village is made more ?villagey? I?m enjoying the school holidays ...ED Grove feels as it did before the LTNs for a few weeks...

[CPR Dave]

Choosing a tarmacadam square for coffee mornings over the rights of disabled people seems appallingly callous.

[ab29]

Fire engine delayed because of the closure of Dulwich Village junction.

https://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/chaotic-ltn-junction-brings-fire-engine-to-a-halt/?fbclid=IwAR07JrTnM5WaVZ8D6OwsGBQxkb97NEhywARFmbrS0zUiyBfQi0uGoRUzStM

[DuncanW]

Regardless of any particular viewpoint on the rights or wrongs of LTNs, this picture seems to clearly show a fire engine struggling to get passed tightly parked cars - not struggling to get through the junction per se

[Penguin68]

...Although it is not clear whether this was a consequence of the pavement build-outs which seem to have become commonplace around ED - to narrow the roads at junctions (and indeed bus stops).

[Bicknell]

if its a route for emergency services council shd have worked out if parked cars blocked access

[DuncanW]

The fire engine is at the DV end of Court Lane facing onto Calton Ave. There is no built out pavement there.

Court Lane has double yellows on both sides at that end so looks more like it's illegally parked cars that have caused the problem.

Unless there is something very odd about the perspective in the photo; as there is unrestricted parking a bit further back allowing for parking on both sides. But that predates the LTN, so not sure how that warrants the headline/angle of the story.

The article states: The fire crew were hurtling towards an incident in Eynella Road on 11 April,

That appliance is facing the opposite direction from Eynella. It's possible the driver overshot and was looking for a way back, but there are a further three or four right turns they would have gone past to rectify by this point.

[Bicknell]

look at photos on twitter

cars legally parked

fire engine checked out acess at junction on way back

someone told me new double yellows have painted further back up Court lane? anyone know?