Muslim Academies

[????]

But "weird passive aggressive jibes" is ok? you coming over all uninsulting and rational.

Righto. Your fooking MO be rude and then it's all "calm down, wot me guvnor". Tedious.

[Jeremy]

Anyone with half a brain knows that bringing up kids in your own little bubble is unhealthy both for them and society in general... regardless of political persuasion or what newspaper you may or may not read.

But is simply saying "I'm against ALL faith schools" sort of a PC way of wriggling out of the debate?

[Alan Medic]

If you are in a little bubble you are hardly likely to perceive it as such and therefore couldn't possibly think it unhealthy.

I was taught in faith schools when growing up. It didn't stop me from thinking for myself in my teens and deciding I wasn't going to mass anymore, much to the horror of my mother.

My son was never christened but I bet there are plenty of non believers here who have had their little Jonny baptised, as you do. Hands up anyone?

[Otta]

I work in Newham education. Plenty of Muslims seem to do just fine in normal secular state schools. That is how things should be.

[giggirl]

Otta Wrote:

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> I work in Newham education. Plenty of Muslims seem

> to do just fine in normal secular state schools.

> That is how things should be.

Exactly

[Saffron]

There is still in place a requirement for prayer in state schools, presumably remaining from a time when the C of E featured predominantly in most British people's lives. In practice it seems most "secular" school ignore this, but technically my understanding is that it would be enforceable and schools could be penalised for not providing prayer time. So it seems that until we truly secularise all state schools, the argument against (any) religion in school is going to remain cloudy in practice.

[Otta]

I believe all primary schools should continue to do religious studies so that children learn to respect the various religions of their peers, but actual religious teachings / practises should have no place in school.

My daughter is starting a CofE school in September, and it worries me a bit.

[El Pibe]

Not much evidence of passive

[Ifti]

A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian".

Muslim schools provide an education in accordance with the Muslim beliefs and values, such as providing single-sex schooling after puberty. They are thus a response to the danger of absorption into the dominant culture.

The number of Muslim children is on the increase in Bradford state and church schools. There are lot of schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies for proper education. British history from early periods to present day should be taught in all schools. Islamic history from the early period to present day should be part and parcel of the National Curriculum. I think to be fair the Arabic and Persian contributions to the world in medicine, mathematics and other sciences plus their involvement in world affairs should be taught.

The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are not asking for any favour. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are 188 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim schools and I hope one day my dream would come true. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental period. There are few schools for Hindu and Sikh communities. Now even Black community is thinking of setting up their own state funded schools for their own children with black teachers.

You better teach your children in your own schools and let migrant communities teach their children according to their needs and demands.British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion.

A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages so that they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are able to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.

IA

[Jeremy]

Either you're winding us up, or you're a racist idiot!

Either way, your comments are offensive and most unwelcome.

[KidKruger]

Ifti just do one.

I'm sick of reading this we're better than you / you must be like us BS.

Such a load of controlling patronising junk, makes me want to puke.

You really think people are stupid - on behalf of humanity I'd fear the world you want to create.

[El Pibe]

Luckily we have Muslim countries to teach us by example how dysfunctional and corrupt we are.

Oh, wait...

Aagh, fed the troll.

[reggie]

Breathe.

[Alan Medic]

What's the difference between a dead Muslim and a dead Christian? Nothing. So if you define your life along the lines of what differences there are between people or religions as opposed to what you have in common, you are suffering from a form of self entrapment. It's a form of blindness.

[oneearth121]

Iftikhar Ahmed,

First thing, do you have any children? If the miracle has occurred and you do so, how many of them have you sent to a Muslim School?

Secondly, under what authority you have appointed yourself the spokesperson of Muslims in Dulwich/London?

If you want Muslim Schools there are plenty in Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh,India, Somalia, Pakistan and Afghanistan. As a British Muslim living happily in Dulwich, having gone to a C of E School myself, I'm finding it extremely difficult to understand what you're trying to prove. I did not lose any of my Islamic beliefs and I was not cut off of my cultural heritage and I am bilingual! I can tell you that many of my friends and I in similar positions have gained a lot by attending the government schools in this country. With your views I can only feel pity for your children.

Please be brave enough to answer the question I mentioned first.

In Dulwich we have people of all religious beliefs and those without living peacefully and the last thing we need is a person of your kind trying to cause havoc in the minds of people in the name of Islam. Having read your post many times over I can only come to one conclusion that is I SMELL A RAT.

We do not need another self appointed hypocrite as a 'spokesperson' for Muslims in Dulwich.

Look forward to hearing from you Brother.

[purple<3]

I second oneearth121's opinion, well said.

[woodrot]

OP - You are an EDF false flag action AICM ?5

[El Pibe]

That was my suspicion too woody.

[HonaloochieB]

Come on everyone leave Ifti alone, is there any amongst us who haven't got pissed-up and made a post filled with streams of ludicrous, high-falutin' garbage dressed up as a 'serious' starting off point for debate?

You know, got all in a lager and Jack D fuelled mood that after much brooding gave you the confidence, that well, you could be a contrarian. Mild-mannered as you are.

You change from Christopher Robin to Christopher Hitchens

And then in the hot, aching, shuddering grip of a hangover, you read your post and the responses to it.

Shame, guilt, nausea etc overwhelm.

But, probably still under the influence you decide to grit your teeth and continue to defend your indefensible position.

Seen it on here with restaurants, songs, pubs, pizzas and more, so let's let Ifti off the hook and just discreetly let this thread drop and ignore any attempts by him to revive it.

[Annette Curtain]

Agree Hooch

Bit i'm liking the "thread-within-the-thread" where ????'s is having a pop at SJ

Mooost amoosing !

[uncleglen]

The debate rages on Jeremy- 'faith' schools promote 'faith' in a supernatural 'being' (which is a massive copout in itself since there is and never will be any empirical evidence for said being) and all the hype and discrimination that goes with it. And- unfortunately Alan Medic- some faiths discourage thinking for oneself i.e. they require 'blind faith'

[HonaloochieB]

But, AC maybe they was as royally slaughtered on Stella and gin, when they started up with one another as Ifti was on Kronenbourg and Jack.

It's an explanation, of sorts I guess.

But heck, them boys do like to quarrel. That's for sure.

[Alan Medic]

uncleglen Wrote:

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And- unfortunately Alan Medic- some

> faiths discourage thinking for oneself i.e. they

> require 'blind faith'

I didn't suggest that they did. I thought for myself.

[Annette Curtain]

HonaloochieB Wrote:

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> But, AC maybe they was as royally slaughtered on

> Stella and gin, when they started up with one

> another as Ifti was on Kronenbourg and Jack.

> It's an explanation, of sorts I guess.

>

> But heck, them boys do like to quarrel. That's for

> sure.

Arhhhh

[StraferJack]

Dunno if I would say "like"