The Crystal Palace to be rebuilt ???

[DulwichFox]

Crystal Palace could be rebuilt by billionaire Chinese developers..

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/crystal-palace-could-be-rebuilt-by-billionaire-chinese-developers-8733208.html

Now that would be something..

DulwichFox

[Otta]

I would absolutely love it if they did this to the original specs. I lo e the feel of history around that part of the park, and just looking at the steps and foundations gives you an idea of how immense it must have been. Especially back then.

[Jah Lush]

That would be fantastic. My dad who was ten at the time and living locally watched it burn down.

[computedshorty]

Memories

Crystal Palace 1936

One of my first memories was when I was five years old, I was in my back garden, playing with my ten year old brother Ken, and my older brother , Bill who was twelve years old. A neighbour shouted over the garden wall, that a big fire had started, have a look.

? We lived in Dulwich near a very large park. The neighbour said the fire was the other side of the park. As there were houses between us and the park, we couldn?t see, so we went up to the fourth floor of our house to see, but all we could see was smoke.

My two brothers, with me in tow, ran through the streets to Dulwich Park. Across the fields, way up above the Dulwich Woods, on the hill, we could see the fire, smoke billowing high in the air, flames reflecting off the glass that covered the Crystal Palace.

We could see the two glass towers at each end , with the middle alight with dense smoke. As it was about three miles from where we were, my brothers said that they had better not take me with them to the fire, so we all returned home.

The fire burned through that night. The next day we asked our mother if we could go to see what the fire had done, and she agreed provided they kept me close to them. She gave us the money for our fare.

We caught the tram from the tram stop a few doors from our home, to Lordship Lane Railway Station, then a train to Crystal Palace High Level Station. When we got off I thought that the station was the Crystal Palace as it was so large with at least ten platforms and a glass covered roof.

We climbed up lots of stairs from the Station to the wide road above, across the road were the smouldering remains of the Crystal Palace!

There was much confusion , fire engines, hoses, ladders, black water everywhere, people and cars, rows of buses and trams. There was a terrible smell of rubber and horsehair, iron girders sticking up , glued together with the glass that had melted in the heat, then set as it cooled down. Just two high towers stood, something like lighthouses, but the glass had all gone. Between the two all had been burnt.

There had been an exhibition of all the goods that had been traded around the world all this and the wooden floor had been burnt, as was the new fire engine on show. This was the very latest, designed to give a great force of water, and was named, ?The Princess of Wales?. Unfortunately, the only water available was on a water tower in the grounds, but this was soon used up. As the Crystal Palace was built at the top of Sydenham Hill, water could not be taken from the fire hydrants in the road , as the pressure was low.

Hoses were put into the lakes, in the grounds, where the models of prehistoric Animals, lay half submerged in the water, soon they were left high and dry, as the water pumps drained all the water, through the hoses to the fire, but this did not last long. We moved about the grounds , but could not get near the ruins, the heat was still very hot you could feel it as the wind blew over it in your direction, the smell was the worst, so we went home dirty, dusty, but happy to have seen it, we waited for the train, got the tram, wanting our tea, Mum said ?change your clothes and wash first!?

This was my first memory of the Crystal Palace.

My next was in 1939 when the Army blew up the two towers, as the second world war had started, it was thought the Towers would be a landmark for German Aircraft.

By Shorty aged 5

[El Pibe]

Great stuff CS, as ever!

[Ted Max]

"When we got off I thought that the station was the Crystal Palace as it was so large with at least ten platforms and a glass covered roof."

Captures the childhood eye very well, this. As well as the "smell of horsehair" detail. Thanks, Shorty.

[red devil]

Shorty, I don't suppose you remember seeing a young boy not too dissimilar in description to Jah Lush, carrying a box of matches?...

[Jeremy]

I suspect it would end up looking like a cheap theme park replica...

[El Pibe]

WHy ever would you say that?

Oh.....

 

[Otta]

Jeremy / Pibe, do you enjoy telling children that Santa doesn't exist?

[El Pibe]

No fair, I think it would be exttremely cool too!!!

I can't help but fear that noone would do it unless there was a buck to be made, at which point you have to be a bit afraid something dreadful will appear.

[El Pibe]

And I met Santa, he was a top bloke, seven foot tall, asked me what team I supported and had an encyclopaedic knowledge of goings on at Upton Park.

His elf had a canon 1D mkIII and charged me 20 quid for a photo!

[Otta]

Last time I heard rumors like this it was talk of a big hotel. A friend of mine (from the area) just said on FB that when she was a teenager (90s) they got as far as planting gardens and a new maze, and it was to be a big cinema / bowling / nightclub. Residents objected and that was that.

[red devil]

When Chinese theme parks go wrong... http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/12/chinas-abandoned-wonderland/100207/

[El Pibe]

bloody nimby's. In CHina they just send in the tanks.

[computedshorty]

Three old pictures

[Chick]

CS, thanks for the great pictures.

Where would they put the TV mast?

[oilworker]

What I cant actually understand is how it burned down - given that glass and steel are inflammable what was actually burning? Were they holding a rubber and horsehair fair at the time or something?

[Otta]

That last picture is great, look at the size of it!

I seem to remember the fire started by something as small as a cigarette.

[Otta]

Wiki reckons fire spread quickly due to old timber flooring and high winds.

[Jeremy]

I know what you mean, oilworker. Not sure how the cast iron frame could burn down!

Anyway, if the Chinese are going to rebuild the Crystal Palace, maybe they could knock up a few Egyptian pyramids and a Leaning Tower of Pisa while they're at it? Really put Sydenham/Norwood/whatever it's called on the map!

[El Pibe]

I hate to be the annoying pedant....alright no i don't......doesn't inflammable mean the same as flammable?

What is the opposite?

[david_carnell]

Non-flammable

[El Pibe]

That's not a word, it's just an adjective with non- in front.

*any* adjective can be that.

non-clitoral

non-lunar

non-shamillydacdacatious

[computedshorty]

Indeed no one after sixty-five years precisely knows why and how the Crystal Palace was set on fire. On November 30, 1936 at six in the evening, the manager of the Palace, Henry Buckland, noticed a red glow ablaze in a staff lavatory. He called firemen and workmen to extinguish the blaze and went on with his duties. Within five minutes, the fire had swept across the Palace, which eventually then was evacuated. Over half of London???s entire fire brigade eventually arrived with 381 firemen and 89 engines, but the blaze was too fierce. Stories of arson abounded because of the large amounts of flammable material the gigantic structure contained, but the true cause may have been a terrible accident (British Path??).

The Last picture was of the Crystal Palace that was showing it in Hyde Park London.

Notice the absence of towers.