Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Roads were not designed with cyclists in mind and as a consequence are often very dangerous to cycle on.


The only time I cycle on the pavement is where the available road space is so dangerous I'm not prepared to risk my life by staying on the road.


There needs to be a re-think of how our public spaces, including roads and pavements are shared because cycling is set to continue to increase in popularity and the needs of all users need to be accommodated in ways that make travelling safer for everyone.

It's been a while since I've checked but I thought that particular stretch was shared use on the park-side. Signage on the pavement close to the traffic lights (toucan crossing? It's bike-friendly anyway) next to Friern Road further up I think indicates the end of a shared use. I'll have to double check though.

However, it's completely fine to cycle through the park on that large diagonal path, and the spot you just mentioned leads right into it. It sounds like the correct place for a considerate cyclist to enter the park to use this route.


Unless you mean the clock-house side of the road which makes no sense and in that case I agree with you, the cyclists should use the road.


Callie Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> StraferJack Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > 12 years in east dulwich and I reckon I have had

> a

> > cyclist pass me on pavement once

> >

> > Is this really a problem?

>

> Yes it's a huge problem, especially on the stretch

> of pavement around The Clockhouse which I pass

> every day in both directions & most days,

> sometimes twice a day adult cyclists will speed

> round that corner on the pavement of Barry Rd &

> Peckham Rye & they seem to think it is normal to

> do so. I have been meaning for a long time to

> inform James Barber of this to see if there's

> anything at all that can be done about this.

LadyDeliah Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Roads were not designed with cyclists in mind and

> as a consequence are often very dangerous to cycle

> on.

>

> The only time I cycle on the pavement is where the

> available road space is so dangerous I'm not

> prepared to risk my life by staying on the road.

>

> There needs to be a re-think of how our public

> spaces, including roads and pavements are shared

> because cycling is set to continue to increase in

> popularity and the needs of all users need to be

> accommodated in ways that make travelling safer

> for everyone.


I agree with you in general but when on the pavement you should get off your bike and push it. You are now a pedestrian.

I've been knocked down by a cyclist who was going the wrong way down a one way street - I was thrown into the path of oncoming traffic but luckily was rescued by three very kind gentlemen.... Every morning I take my life in my hands stepping onto the pavement outside my house - I've been sworn at, spat at and threatened with violence all by charming cyclists. "It's too dangerous to cycle on the road" - my reply "It's dangerous to drive around Hyde Park Corner but I don't drive on the pavement; if you aren't competent enough to cycle on the roads, then you shouldn't be cycling".... Don't get me started on cyclists at night, on the pavement, no lights, dressed all in black, riding at the speed of sound.... Seems to me that since the Olympics everyone with a bike thinks they're Pendleton or Wiggins......

I can understand cyclists wanting to cycle on the pavement where there is very heavy traffic or for some other reason they feel at risk (though surely they should be pushing their bikes not cycling) but I too have been almost knocked over by cyclists going at speed along the pavement who don't even bother to make their presence behind me known by ringing their bell, or who suddenly come round a corner.


And yes, those who cycle in dark clothing at night with no lights - do they have a death wish?

LadyNorwood Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

... "It's too dangerous to cycle

> on the road" - my reply "It's dangerous to drive

> around Hyde Park Corner but I don't drive on the

> pavement; if you aren't competent enough to cycle

> on the roads, then you shouldn't be cycling"....


Don't think the danger to cyclists is due to incompetence on their part. It's due to having to share space with big dangerous pieces of metal.


Another cyclist killed today by a lorry on a London road:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23576109


That's why I cycle on the pavement in places where the roads are too dangerous. I want to get back home to my kids in one piece.

From another report of the same incident:


"Last month emergency doctors who work on the air ambulance called for urgent road safety measures after three cyclists were killed in three weeks in London.


The air ambulance, which flies a surgeon and paramedic straight to crash scenes, has been called to more than 30 critical incidents involving cyclists this year."


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclist-killed-in-crash-with-lorry-on-archway-road-8746311.html

The roads are not designed for cyclists. They put us in massive danger compared to pedestrians sharing space with cyclists.


How many times do you think the air ambulance has been called out to attend to people who have been hit by cyclists? I'd bet there have been none, ever, but I'd be happy to let you prove me wrong.


Cycling on pavements poses some risk to pedestrians, but cycling on dangerous roads poses enormous and often fatal risks to cyclists.


If you don't want me on the pavement, improve the safety of roads for cyclists and I'd be happy to always cycle on the road. Until then, I make no excuses and will continue to cycle on pavements to avoid death or serious injury.


No, I don't have insurance. I have never hit a pedestrian in 25 years of cycling. Do any of you have insurance in place to cover injuries you may cause from walking out in front of a cyclist without looking, or from accidently causing injury from a stray football, cricket ball or excitable dog? I doubt it.


It would be open to injured pedestrians or others to make a claim in the courts against the person who injured them in all of these circumstances.


By the way, the reason cars, lorries etc have compulsory insurance is because they amount of damage they can cause would be far in excess of the means of most ordinary people to cover without insurance. That does not apply to cyclists.

Lady D,


You are really on a sticky wicket here. By all means, come onto the pavement with your bike, but push it. That's the fair, social and reasonable solution. Do the right thing, and stop thinking that you won't knock anyone down just because you haven't done so yet in XX years.

omz Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Riding in london is the last and greatest bastion

> for lawlessness..

> Preferably fixed but Single speed accepted....no

> rules

> If you cant deal with it..join in


Why? I ride a fixed bike, have done for 10 years, I can adhere to the law and respect road users and pedestrians. What makes you so special?

As a cyclist, pedestrian, runner and dog walker, never had a problem with people cycling on the pavement. Annoying, occasionally, but rarely reckless in my experience. Pedestrians though are an absolute menace to cyclists!


Cycling in parks is a bigger issue. Not that people do it, but that often they do so recklessly. To bring it back to local relevance, the weekend warriors that use Dulwich Park as a racetrack are the worst. But also people heading through Surrey Canal and Burgess Parks as if the paths through there are roads. I also saw a cyclist ringing his bell at two women pushing buggies along the path that heads to Barry Road from the Nunhead corner of Peckham Rye, forcing them to go onto the grass. Poor show.


The basic rule of thumb is that cyclists should give way to pedestrians and ride cautiously when they're using the same strech of road or path.



Oh, so it's pedestrians' responsibility to improve road safety for cyclists, while cyclists carry on riding on pavements, is it? And it's our fault then if cyclists hit us? A funny kind of logic.




Such as the pedestrians who are inconsiderate enough to dare to cross at a crossing and who then complain when a cyclist nearly knocks them over?

Zebedee Tring Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> the safety of roads for cyclists and I'd be happy

> to always cycle on the road >

>

> Oh, so it's pedestrians' responsibility to improve

> road safety for cyclists, while cyclists carry on

> riding on pavements, is it? And it's our fault

> then if cyclists hit us? A funny kind of logic.


This was aimed at anyone who campaigns or complains against cyclists on pavements and anyone else who is concerned about road safety.


It's about pushing for positive change, rather than wheeling out the same old circular arguments to no effect.

I have to say I agree with taper.


To preface, i am a responsible cyclist. I do not cycle on pavements - they are for pedestrians. On my daily cycle route there is only one light I jump. I do this routinely for my own safety. Two cyclists obeying the highway code here have been killed and the junction has not been changed to reflect this.


Cyclists face a number of hazards on every journey. When I first started cycling the biggest and most dangerous hazard was undoubtedly car drivers being oblivious to your presence. I once had a car stop at a junction. I was in the cycle lane on the inside of it, and a rear passenger opened their door straight onto my path. I was saved only by my newly relaced brake pads. As there has been an increase in the number of cyclists, my perception is that drivers have become more aware and I have experienced less of this type of hazard.


In the same time frame the prevalance of personal devices has meant that pedestrians are now a much greater hazard. At least once a week a pedestrian with an I-Pod or similar steps in my path without looking. So far no direct hits, but it is only a matter of time.


My bright idea is that police PCSOs ets should be able to fine cyclists, driver and pedestrians displaying bad behaviour and use that fine to reward cyclists drivers and pedestrians displaying good behaviour. So make the boy racers give their ?20 fine directly into the paws of those cyclists who have obeyed the lights. Punishing bad and rewarding good behaviour would be really effective at improving overall behaviour and would stop councils/ police using fines as a cash cow.

taper Wrote: "Cycling in parks is a bigger issue ... To bring it back to local relevance, the weekend warriors that use Dulwich Park as a racetrack are the worst."


Dulwich park is to be shared by all. There are a number of parks in London that ban bicycles, and we are lucky to have a park that allows cyclists a safe environment away from traffic. Clearly some are going to cycle faster than others - however I have never had an issue with cyclists in Dulwich Park.


I have had more close encounters with the numerous buggies on LL than I ever have with cyclists in ED.

There are people (whether cyclists, pedestrians, or motorists) that do not comply with the laws that apply to them. These people are annoying to everyone else and are sometimes dangerous.


Cyclists, pedestrians and motorists are, as a group, no more careless, malign or thoughtless than each other. Generalisations are a bit pointless.

Zebedee Tring Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> the safety of roads for cyclists and I'd be happy

> to always cycle on the road >

>

> Oh, so it's pedestrians' responsibility to improve

> road safety for cyclists, while cyclists carry on

> riding on pavements, is it? And it's our fault

> then if cyclists hit us? A funny kind of logic.

>

> sort danger on the road are when pedestrians head

> off the pavement into the road without looking for

> cyclists >

>

> Such as the pedestrians who are inconsiderate

> enough to dare to cross at a crossing and who then

> complain when a cyclist nearly knocks them over?



No. I'm talking about your cotton-clad I-Zombie. They should pay Road Tax. And take a test.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • Granted Shoreditch is still London, but given that the council & organisers main argument for the festival is that it is a local event, for local people (to use your metaphor), there's surprisingly little to back this up. As Blah Blah informatively points out, this is now just a commercial venture with no local connection. Our park is regarded by them as an asset that they've paid to use & abuse. There's never been any details provided of where the attendees are from, but it's still trotted out as a benefit to the local community.  There's never been any details provided of any increase in sales for local businesses, but it's still trotted out as a benefit to the local community.  There's promises of "opportunities" for local people & traders to work at the festival, but, again, no figures to back this up. And lastly, the fee for the whole thing goes 100% to running the Events dept, and the dozens of free events that no-one seems able to identify, and, yes, you guessed it - no details provided for by the council. So again, no tangible benefit for the residents of the area.
    • I mean I hold no portfolio to defend Gala,  but I suspect that is their office.  I am a company director,  my home address is also not registered with Companies House. Also guys this is Peckham not Royston Vasey.  Shoreditch is a mere 20 mins away by train, it's not an offshore bolt hole in Luxembourg.
    • While it is good that GALA have withdrawn their application for a second weekend, local people and councillors will likely have the same fight on their hands for next year's event. In reading the consultation report, I noted the Council were putting the GALA event in the same light as all the other events that use the park, like the Circus, the Fair and even the FOPR fete. ALL of those events use the common, not the park, and cause nothing like the level of noise and/or disruption of the GALA event. Even the two day Irish Festival (for those that remember that one) was never as noisy as GALA. So there is some disingenuity and hypocrisy from the Council on this, something I wll point out in my response to the report. The other point to note was that in past years branches were cut back for the fencing. Last year the council promised no trees would be cut after pushback, but they seem to now be reverting to a position of 'only in agreement with the council's arbourist'. Is this more hypocrisy from 'green' Southwark who seem to once again be ok with defacing trees for a fence that is up for just days? The people who now own GALA don't live in this area. GALA as an event began in Brockwell Park. It then lost its place there to bigger events (that pesumably could pay Lambeth Council more). One of the then company directors lived on the Rye Hill Estate next to the park and that is likely how Peckham Rye came to be the new choice for the event. That person is no longer involved. Today's GALA company is not the same as the 'We Are the Fair' company that held that first event, not the same in scope, aim or culture. And therein lies the problem. It's not a local community led enterprise, but a commercial one, underwritten by a venture capital company. The same company co-run the Rally Event each year in Southwark Park, which btw is licensed as a one day event only. That does seem to be truer to the original 'We Are the Fair' vision, but how much of that is down to GALA as opoosed to 'Bird on the Wire' (the other group organising it) is hard to say.  For local people, it's three days of not being able to open windows, As someone said above, if a resident set up a PA in their back garden and subjected the neighbours to 10 hours of hard dance music every day for three days, the Council would take action. Do not underestimate how distressing that is for many local residents, many of whom are elderly, frail, young, vulnerable. They deserve more respect than is being shown by those who think it's no big deal. And just to be clear, GALA and the council do not consider there to be a breach of db level if the level is corrected within 15 minutes of the breach. In other words, while db levels are set as part of the noise management plan, there is an acknowledgement that a breach is ok if corrected within 15 minutes. That is just not good enough. Local councillors objected to the proposed extension. 75% of those that responded to the consultation locally did not want GALA 26 to take place at all. For me personally, any goodwill that had been built up through the various consultations over recent years was erased with that application for a second weekend, and especially given that when asked if there were plans for that in post 2025 event feedback meetings (following rumours), GALA lied and said there were no plans to expand. I have come to the conclusion that all the effort to appease on some things is merely an exercise in show, to get past the council's threshold for the events licence. They couldn't give a hoot in reality for local people, and people that genuinely care about parkland, don't litter it with noisy festivals either.   
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...