Public consultation on Hepworth replacement for Dulwich Park

[edhistory]

Applespider Wrote:

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> I'm also a

> little concerned about how easy it might be to

> maintain.

There will be a water pump to remove water from the pond.

John K

[barniepage]

All maintenance issues have been considered and budget put aside for any additional mowing that may need to be done. There is a map of the proposed location at www.astageforanything.com.

[edhistory]

How will the water be pumped out of the depressions?

John K

[barniepage]

Hi John K,

We've been in consultation with a landscape architect and the park management who all felt that there would be no issue with drainage. Owing to the proposed position, which is at the higher end of the park, the gentle slope should allow the water to run off freely. There is an area of lower ground nearby which, we have been told by the park management, has never had a problem with drainage. So we feel positive that the area will remain a groundwork and not a water feature!

[david_carnell]

Ignore John. He's the forum's resident grinch whose raison d'etre is to pour scorn and shout folly at anything new or innovative.

[barniepage]

I don't think anyone is going to be very happy about the final decision that has been made about this :(

Except for the artist that won

[lightweight]

Did the tree stump win?

[tfm33]

what's the result barniepage?

[Earl Aelfheah]

tease

[ruffers]

barniepage Wrote:

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> I don't think anyone is going to be very happy

> about the final decision that has been made about

> this :(

> Except for the artist that won

I'll let you know if I am thanks.

[barniepage]

Conrad Shawcross ugly metal things to be installed in the park:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/barbara-hepworth-sculpture-stolen-from-dulwich-park-to-be-replaced-with-antitheft-works-by-conrad-shawcross-8892880.html

[bawdy-nan]

Not my favourite but I like that, like the Hepworth, you can be in it and on it. I also like that its slightly resistant to the "community arts" feel of the raised stage area (though I liked that one too).

There was so much love for the raised performance area I think we should now being campaigning for a contemporary (covered) bandstand. There are so many brilliant local music groups and choirs and school ensembles that could use it and I can't think of anything nicer in a park on a summers' afternoon .Maybe near the cafe?

[edhistory]

It needs a local name that will stick.

The never-ending turd?

John K

[barniepage]

The perpetual poo?

Mouldy old snake?

[maxxi]

I think the Indie have the best suggestion - The Anti-Theft Sculpture as that appears to be its only purpose - a statement that says "Come on then! Steal this!"

I hope someone tries.

[edhistory]

> The Anti-Theft Sculpture

I can't do a limerick with that.

John K

[ruffers]

ruffers Wrote:

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> barniepage Wrote:

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> > I don't think anyone is going to be very happy

> > about the final decision that has been made

> about

> > this :(

> > Except for the artist that won

>

> I'll let you know if I am thanks.

I am, that was my choice.

[Jeremy]

edhistory Wrote:

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> I can't do a limerick with that.

I think you need to try harder. I'll start you off:

The anti-theft sculpture in Dulwich

[TJ]

I think this is a great choice.

I personally would love to see a cast concrete version of the barbara hepwoth, to go where the old one was, as a reminder of what stood there.

Sort of like how renaissance sculptures end up in the museuum, but a replica is put in the original setting.

[Earl Aelfheah]

I think it's a good choice. Looking forward to seeing it.

[a fish]

barniepage Wrote:

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> Conrad Shawcross ugly metal things to be installed

> in the park:

> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/ar

> t/news/barbara-hepworth-sculpture-stolen-from-dulw

> ich-park-to-be-replaced-with-antitheft-works-by-co

> nrad-shawcross-8892880.html

Nowhere near as ugly as the Hepworth piece. One of my all-time least favourite pieces of public art.

[barniepage]

Ryan Gander's piece, aside from the earth work that would have provided a dynamic space, would have directly supported youth performing arts projects in South London with about ?80,000 over the course of the next 10 years. Art with a function, art for the public.

Instead the commissioners have picked a useless and non-site-specific piece of art that is, according to those two specifications, no different to the Hepworth that was put there 40 years ago. One might have thought that the idea of "public art" might have advanced somewhat in that time.

But I suppose, after all, in these austere times, it's better to spend the full whack on a useless sculpture than on a project that gives money to local youth projects.

[a fish]

barniepage Wrote:

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> Ryan Gander's piece, aside from the earth work

> that would have provided a dynamic space, would

> have directly supported youth performing arts

> projects in South London with about ?80,000 over

> the course of the next 10 years. Art with a

> function, art for the public.

>

> Instead the commissioners have picked a useless

> and non-site-specific piece of art that is,

> according to those two specifications, no

> different to the Hepworth that was put there 40

> years ago. One might have thought that the idea of

> "public art" might have advanced somewhat in that

> time.

>

> But I suppose, after all, in these austere times,

> it's better to spend the full whack on a useless

> sculpture than on a project that gives money to

> local youth projects.

Remember, public art has long since been rubbish anodyne nonsense, usually picked by a committee that knows more about money than it does about art, or what's good for the community; viz. the crap that's been on the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Sq. Well, the Wallinger piece was great, but the Whiteread one was dull ( and horribly misjudged in terms of materials) but my God the Big Blue Cock (fnar) is desperately bad and the Bill Woodrow was one of the worst bits of public art in any city ever.

It doesn't help that, like Henry bloody Moore, Hepworth is seen as a safe bet artwise, despite the fact that, like Henry bloody Moore, her stuff is ugly, lumpen, graceless crap with no meaning or concept.

[speedbird]

I like it...that was my choice too!

[bawdy-nan]

I quite like my art "useless" and unfettered to "good works". That's not to say I dont want to see that kind of work supported.

What about a campaign for a performance space / bandstand?