Pathetic old racist fart on Frogley road (Lounged)

[taper]

Tony - It is probably beyond you to read properly into this subject, and to appreciate the worthlessness of terms such as "race" and "black" in relation to the phenomena of certain groups appearing to be better at certain events than other. It is difficult to enter into a conversation on this issue with someone who takes such a simplistic and frankly suspicious framework of analysis (see your ludicourus and frankly offensive schoolboy experiment). A few minutes will show you that this is (as a previous poster explained very cogently) a deeply complex area where the science is not at all settled. There is in fact a University Department dedicated to the study of East African endurance athletes (try Googling "Yannis Pitsiladis"); and the evidence emerging out of there about the complex relationship between athletic performance and genes, environment and culture demonstrate that your simplistic approach to this issue is utterly risible).

[Tony.London Suburbs]

taper Wrote:

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> Tony - It is probably beyond you ....

...... It is difficult to enter into a

> conversation on this issue with someone who takes

> such a simplistic and frankly suspicious framework

> of analysis (see your ludicourus and frankly

> offensive schoolboy experiment). ....

..... a deeply complex area......

....Which roughly translates(ignoring the ridiculously patronising tone) that you and your (now) invisible friend haven't got a scooby-doo(tu)

btw: Oh! DO explain..what is "offensive"about someone hypothetically (based on their knowledge and/or experience) or literally, doing a test to see if different Groups do have differences(in general-with exceptions) is it the possible potential results that are "beyond you " and your comprehension to realise that there might,just might,be differences between Groups of people???

Just a footnote:Isn't extraordinary that anyone who has a different view or opinion to the one I proferred has a total incapacity to express that view without a condescending,patronising or "oh! so superior" manner! I was naturally civil,pleasant and polite during all our communications.

What a shame that you were not able to do likewise.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Actually taper,as like the Prodigal Son,you have returneth allow me to "patronise" you,in return.

I'm going to try a revolutionary concept,foolish I know,but here goes....I'm going to ask you,directly, a straightforward,simple question that you can easily reply to which is NOT "beyond you"...

Do you think(as a Group) that Black people are better Dancers than White people?

[mockney piers]

"Do you think(as a Group) that Black people are better Dancers than White people?"

Sorry, remind me. were we making huge generalisations regards supposed 'groups' (thus far defined as blacks and whites). Or are we saying that those supposed groups can produce representatives among the top 3 performers at [enter activity here] more often the other group?

Just for clarification you understand.

I personally think that Spaniards are infinitely better dancers than the English, until such time as you put any house music on, at which point they seemingly lose all sense of rhythm entirely. Don't know where that all fits in though.

[Brendan]

Tony you say ,"as a Group... Black people are..."

Which group of black people? British people of Caribbean origin, Nilotic people from the Sudan, Malagasy perhaps?

[Jeremy]

Isn't dancing more of a cultural thing though?

[mockney piers]

shhhhh, don't state the obvious.

[taper]

Tricky one Tony: my view, there is no relationshsip between skin pigmentation and dancing ability. Self-parody as high art! (td)(td)(tu)

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Lets have "British people of Caribbean origin" against any other British Group.>:D<

My money(as a Group) is on the Former.You can have any of the other Groups in Britain(tu)

[Tony.London Suburbs]

taper Wrote:

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> Tricky one Tony: my view, there is no

> relationshsip between skin pigmentation and

> dancing ability. Self-parody as high art!

> (td)(td)(tu)

....So do you think Black British People of Caribbean origin have more "natural" rhythm than White Brits?(as a Group with exceptions either way?)...

[mockney piers]

I challenge any limbo dancing champion of your declared group to try Morris dancing versus fat beardie blokes in Suffolk. No contest.

[citizenED]

Is Tony talking about Ballroom Dancing?

[citizenED]

Or Morris Dancing?

[Tony.London Suburbs]

mockney piers Wrote:

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> I challenge any limbo dancing champion of your

> declared group to try Morris dancing versus fat

> beardie blokes in Suffolk. No contest.

..Lets leave Morris out of this.Thats a Minor...

[BJL]

Tony.London Suburbs Wrote:

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> Lets have "British people of Caribbean origin"

I thought you were asking about "Black people", Tony.

Not all "British people of Caribbean origin" are "Black". Some are "White", some are "Indian", "Chinese", "Arabic" and so on. Or a mixture.

Last time I went to the ballet, the overwhelming majority of the dancers were "White" - and they were very good dancers. Some seemed almost "born to dance".

[mockney piers]

"Not all "British people of Caribbean origin"

Very good point, my own mum's Kittian and white (Scottish/German half breed). What with my dad being Spanish, what blimmin' Race am I?

We won't even get started on LozzyLoz, I haven't got enough time to describe him before I shoot off to Ireland to get married (Oh my God, my poor kids, really confused)

[Tony.London Suburbs]

BJL Wrote:

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> Tony.London Suburbs Wrote:

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> > Lets have "British people of Caribbean origin"

>

> I thought you were asking about "Black people",

> Tony.

>

> Not all "British people of Caribbean origin" are

> "Black". Some are "White", some are "Indian",

> "Chinese", "Arabic" and so on. Or a mixture.

...I realise that BJL which is why in my next post of "2.46" three minutes after the one you have quoted I,specifically,said BLACK British of Caribbean origin.....(tu)

[Tony.London Suburbs]

mockney piers Wrote:

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> "Not all "British people of Caribbean origin">

> Very good point, my own mum's Kittian and white

> (Scottish/German half breed). What with my dad

> being Spanish, what blimmin' Race am I?

> We won't even get started on LozzyLoz, I haven't

> got enough time to describe him before I shoot off

> to Ireland to get married (Oh my God, my poor

> kids, really confused)

.........Which is why three minutes later I wrote BLACK British of Caribbean origin>:D<

[BJL]

Tony.London Suburbs Wrote:

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> BJL Wrote:

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> > Tony.London Suburbs Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > Lets have "British people of Caribbean

> origin"

> >

> > I thought you were asking about "Black people",

> > Tony.

> >

> > Not all "British people of Caribbean origin"

> are

> > "Black". Some are "White", some are "Indian",

> > "Chinese", "Arabic" and so on. Or a mixture.

>

> ...I realise that BJL which is why in my next post

> of "2.46" three minutes after the one you have

> quoted I,specifically,said BLACK British of

> Caribbean origin.....(tu)

Thanks, Tony - that's much clearer.

But, wait a minute - do you mean really, really "black" people? Not the people who are sort of "dark brown" or "mid brown" or "light brown" or... Like this:

http://www.mediabistro.com/unbeige/original/kular.jpg

And what about those "mixed race" people? Are they "Black" or "White"?

[Tony.London Suburbs]

How about those Guys in the UK who classify themseves as Black(tu)

[Jah Lush]

Is it just me but I feel rather uncomfortable the way this thread has gone.

[karter]

Just out of interest what nationality *is* Lozzloz? I thought he was Italian?

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Is it just me but I feel rather uncomfortable the

> way this thread has gone.

...Not just you Jah Lush which is why I deliberately said "my last word" around 3,000 words ago:-$...

Today, 08:51AM

"!I'll leave MY last word to the most respected contributor to the most prominent Black Forum in The UK as they have a thread about "Black Swimmers"... "

[Jah Lush]

Your last word 3,000 words ago. Surely that's a contradiction in terms?

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Your last word 3,000 words ago. Surely that's a

> contradiction in terms?

....I was being ironic Jah Lush!,,,,it was my "intention" at the time to be "my last word" until others revived the thread,many with questions directly to me hence the continuation.