Ghosts and paranormal activity in ED & PR

[El Pibe]

our senses not so good at objective judgement

Yes, the two faces are the same colour.

[El Pibe]

grey sheet?

[paco]

Who are you going to call?

I am somewhat sceptical of these things, but my daughter's school friend lived in a house in Forest Hill, where the Mother and 2 daughters saw a ghosty. The Mother, who is I believe sound of mind, saw it first and didn't say anything to the children, but both children said they saw a woman at the end of the bed.. The Father never saw it.

Do Ghosts exist? I don't know, I think not, but I may be wrong.

[Otta]

I'm the same paco. I've told this elsewhere, but so what. When I was in the first year of uni living in halls, I had a girlfriend living in an all girls hall, and 3 girls that I can remember all claimed to have seen ghosts in their rooms at night, my girlfriend being one of them.

Too much booze? One of the girls was a very sweet innocent thing that barely touched a drop, so no.

Tricks of the light? There was a big tree outside my girlfriend's window, and I thought it may have been that, but the 3 girls lived in rooms at different places in the building.

Making it up for attention? One of them I could definitely imagine doing that, my girlfriend, I wouldn't entirely put it past her, but the other one, no way.

I never saw these ghosts despite my GF seeing them several times. But I have to admit, she was shit scared, and I feel pretty sure she believed she was seeing what she said was seeing.

So who knows for sure? I believe that there is some explanation for it, but I can't prove that anymore than the girls could prove what they'd seen.

They had a priest exorcise the rooms and everything!

[Jeremy]

I reckon an actual woman coming into the house and standing at the foot of the bed is a lot more likely than a ghost...

[Otta]

You obviously didn't know me as an 18 year old. I felt lucky getting one girl to share my bed, having a queue was for the cooler guys!

[Alan Medic]

Years ago my brother claims to have seen a female 'ghost' at the end of his bed while living in Sacramento. He was living with a cousin who was a cop, and afterwards he checked out the house to confirm there could not have been any intruder in the way a cop would. It remains a mystery.

[fabfor]

Oh dear, oh dear!!

I turn my back for a minute and all hell breaks loose! Which one of you is responsible for the pandemonium? Hands up or you all get punished!

Alright then, here's Dr Sheldrake in action. Try to pay attention this time:

Maxxi, you weren't wrong...

[taper]

Sheldrake! He is a pseudo scientist

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/11/06/the-bbc-and-chopra-buy-into-woomeister-rupert-sheldrakes-galileo-syndrome/

Here's a comprehensive debunking of his telepathic dogs

http://barenormality.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/rupert-sheldrake-and-the-psychic-dog/

[maxxi]

fabfor wrote:

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here's Dr Sheldrake in action. Try to pay attention this time:

[www.youtube.com]

taper Wrote:

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> Here's a comprehensive debunking of his telepathic

> dogs

>

> http://barenormality.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/rupe

> rt-sheldrake-and-the-psychic-dog/

maxxi wrote:

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Here's a kitten. *

*that thinks it saw a ghost

[Sue]

El Pibe Wrote:

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> Muslim scholars, theosophists, hell, even

> scientologists discuss stuff rationally. That

> doesn't lend it any credibility, it's all based on

> faith.

>

> And I'm still waiting for the evidence pumpkin.

> Without that it's just a faith based position, and

> more power to you for your quaint beliefs, who am

> I to belittle them ;-)

xxxxxx

You don't actually know what you're talking about, do you?

Never mind :)

[Burbage]

I'm fond of Sheldrake. He goes out and looks for things that are odd and although, so far and despite the bluster, he's failed to find anything, that doesn't mean he's entirely wrong about everything. In my lifetime acupuncture has moved from fringish quackery to proven therapy, Fred Hoyle's idea of an off-planet origin for life is no longer laughable insanity but one of the motives for an expensive mission to Mars, and SETI has grown up from giggle-fodder to near-respectability.

Even homeopathy, which used to rank alongside spoon-bending, looked plausible for a moment - like room-temperature nuclear fusion or faster-than-light neutrinos. Those findings were all scuppered in the end, but that doesn't mean we should stop looking for things, or refuse to occasionally contemplate the incredible. But if we do, we must prove it in mathematics, show it in reproducible tests or carry on the search. Otherwise, we're just telling fairy-tales.

Telepathy, for example, might exist and it's perfectly sane to check for it - even if the existence of casinos suggests it doesn't. But until reproducible results are in, which they aren't, it will have to remain as fictional as, until recently, singing mice and levitating frogs.

[El Pibe]

Another case of projection Sue.

You've not offered me anything by way of an argument, anything by way of evidence and you've liberally thrown out personal insults and are incredibly patronising when you're not being shrill, all the things you regularly accuse others of when they don't agree with you. (Yes poppet, I was reflecting your methods at you, but you failed to get the hint).

Now, and without recourse to "you don't know what you're talking about", "duh", or "learn some elementary logic", can you back you position with anything other than bluster, or the logical fallacy "appeal to authority" (I was once a research assistant) please.

[Otta]

Sue Wrote:

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> xxxxxx

>

> You don't actually know what you're talking about,

That's the point. None of us KNOW anything about this stuff because there is no proof about any of it.

[Dopamine1979]

This thread is great.

I particularly love the Passive Aggressive exchange of terms of endearment between Sue and El Pibe. (Sweetie, Dear, Poppet etc)

:)

[fabfor]

taper Wrote:

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> Sheldrake! He is a pseudo scientist

>

> http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/11/06

> /the-bbc-and-chopra-buy-into-woomeister-rupert-she

> ldrakes-galileo-syndrome/

>

> Here's a comprehensive debunking of his telepathic

> dogs

>

>

Here's Dr Sheldrake's comprehensive debunking of some of the defenders of the faith. Check out the links on the page too.

http://www.sheldrake.org/reactions/richard-wiseman-s-claim-to-have-debunked-the-psychic-pet-phenomenon

Talk about unscrupulous!

Oh, and check out his book "the science delusion" - guaranteed to amaze.:-).

[TE44]

Heres N interseting piece "Does Telepathy conflict with Science"

http://consciouslifenews.com/telepathy-conflict-scien0ce/

[Burbage]

fabfor Wrote:

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> Oh, and check out his book "the science delusion"

> - guaranteed to amaze.:-).

Is that the one that gives deja-vu as evidence for time-travel?

[Sue]

Dopamine1979 Wrote:

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> This thread is great.

>

> I particularly love the Passive Aggressive

> exchange of terms of endearment between Sue and El

> Pibe. (Sweetie, Dear, Poppet etc)

>

> :)

xxxxxx

I hoped that El Pibe was attempting to be funny by calling me "love", but I did fear that he was just continuing to be patronising, hence my response.

Serious academic research has been done and probably still is being done into various aspects of parapsychology, including by controlled experimental methods.

I really find it hard to understand why some people on here who clearly have no knowledge whatsoever of research methodology, and are unable to understand why their logic in attempting to present an argument is flawed, have to mock any aspect of the so-called paranormal.

Nobody would ever have found out anything about the world if everybody took that kind of approach. There are many aspects of quantum physics which could be mocked on exactly the same sort of basis - being quite unbelievable from a "normal" world view - yet I don't see that happening. Strange, eh.

[StraferJack]

why is it strange Sue?

[StraferJack]

"Serious academic research has been done and probably still is being done into various aspects of parapsychology, including by controlled experimental methods."

That sounds good - what progress has been made? What outcomes have shown any progress from "we think this exists but can't prove it"

people keep asking for links to results but noone has done so yet

[Jeremy]

Quantum mechanics - there is evidence to back up the theory. Observations under lab conditions.

Not really comparable to psychic dogs or haunted buildings, is it?

[????]

Come on Jeremy, there's plenty of scientific study to back up haunted buildings/psychic dogs.....but it has DISSAPEARED *Piano sounds DUN, DUN, DUUUUUUUN* ........behind you, whoooooooooooo, etc

[Otta]

Sue Wrote:

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> Serious academic research has been done and

> probably still is being done into various aspects

> of parapsychology, including by controlled

> experimental methods.

>

> I really find it hard to understand why some

> people on here who clearly have no knowledge

> whatsoever of research methodology, and are unable

> to understand why their logic in attempting to

> present an argument is flawed, have to mock any

> aspect of the so-called paranormal.

>

> Nobody would ever have found out anything about

> the world if everybody took that kind of approach.

> There are many aspects of quantum physics which

> could be mocked on exactly the same sort of basis

> - being quite unbelievable from a "normal" world

> view - yet I don't see that happening. Strange,

> eh.

No one is denying that research is taking place, or that it MIGHT turn something up eventually. What people are saying is that as of today, it's turned up fuck all.

And you were the one that started with the "Duh". Had that been at me, it would have gotten my back up too.

[Sue]

I am getting ready for a gig tonight, and I'm also trying to put together our new website.

If you have more time than me, then I expect you can google and find some results online, or reference to them.

Parapsychology is about more than "psychic dogs" and "haunted buildings", but hey feel free to spread disinformation.

Once I have some free time, I will have a look.

And clearly intelligent people think they are likely to find positive results, or they would hardly spend time doing research. And funding bodies would not pay for it. You don't embark on research expecting to disprove a hypothesis, at least not in my experience.