This Brand/Ross malarkey

[SeanMacGabhann]

I would agree that RB hasn't made a single TV show worth bothering with (apart from that one on UK Play years ago)

Bt his stand-up and radio shows are far superior

[HonaloochieB]

glau Wrote:

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> I'm also a licence fee payer and heartily dislike

> The Vicar of Dibley. I actually find Dawn French's

> comic stlye offensive. Should we get her

> sacked/suspended? Also don't care for the Antiques

> Roadshow or whatever it is called and I do not

> enjoy Songs of Praise either. I am launching my

> petition now.

I'm with you on this one Glau.

Can I add the Seven O'Clock Show, some of the Newsnight Review, the bands I don't like on the Glastonbury coverage, the bits on the Six O' Clock news that are just puffs for upcoming programmes (and don't get me started on the 'going live to' bollocks, featuring someone standing outside an empty, darkened building), those occasions when John Humphrys' attempts at being jovial and Strictly Come Dancing never doing the 'what's white and moves across the floor?' joke.

Oh and Casualty, I find that so offensive, I've never watched it.

I'm going to hell in a handcart, I tell you.

[mockney piers]

Just who is RB's target audience anyway?

I would have thought it was more the likes of Glau's daughter above, hijacking mum or pop's account ;), but radio 2 is more traditionally associated with an older audience, just finding the positive qualities in cords and slippers.

For the record I like his football column, but then he is an iron....so to speak.

[*Bob*]

A bit like Harry Hill really.. his stand-up shows are blisteringly good (especially the small-gig 'material tryouts' he does) but TV peeps seem intent on shoehorning them both into a format supported by tv clip funnies.

In the last-but-one Secret Policemen affair, Russ Brand (and The Boosh) were largely the only acts that made me laugh 'properly' at all.

[Brendan]

Is Radio 2?s audience changing perhaps? I mean I?m well young and hip* and I prefer it to Radio 1 mostly because they don?t play so much of that bang-crash music I don?t understand.

*word, brother etc. =<_? (that?s txt spk for the sign I?m making with my fingers)

[SeanMacGabhann]

I will concede that RB was a better fit on 6music than Radio2

But then again I'm not that fussed about radio and TV branding (no pun intended) - if a show is good I will go to the relevant station

[Weegee]

I think the 2 out of them acted way out of line...and were very offensive.

But sacking would be going to far. After all I think Jonathan Ross

is a entertainer who offers a lot to the public.

[Brendan]

It's gonna be some great material for his stand-up routine though. And how long before Wossie can start cracking jokes about it on his Friday night show?

[Moos]

About 12 weeks?

[Ted Max]

First guest list writes itself, though, doesn't it?

[*Bob*]

Should coincide nicely with the Satanic Sluts bid for a Christmas number one

[mockney piers]

Wossy started out as a broadcaster who was willing to push boundaries, but hasn't got to where he is simply by being controversial, for quite while he's gone up the ranks via his more mainstream material with just an added but ersatz veneer of edginess. He's an intelligent, witty and affable chap though and good at what he does.

I'm really not a fan of his 'flagship' show, it seems to be horribly luvvy and despite appearances of being rude and risque is actually horribly fawning, and utterly standard chat show fare once it's stripped down to its components.

But he's every bit as good as Barry Norman on Film xx, he introduced me to so much through the incredibly strange film show and actually seems a pretty decent chap all told.

The problem comes when anyone gets the sort of ludicrous contract he was offered by the Beeb. Ones own self worth hits hyperinflation, and people can be tempted to believe the hype, that the rules no longer apply. I think an element of this has happened to Ross and since Hollywood to Brand.

They're friends and their dinner party humour ended up being recorded and broadcast.

It was not so much in bad taste, that's pretty much a trade mark for both of them in their careers, it was that they blurred the divide between medialand and reality and that generally they really shouldn't actually meet, and that's what happens when you yourself get out of touch with reality.

The fact that it wasn't particularly funny just adds to the woes, but I'm inclined to agree that far worse, far more 'shocking' occurs in print and broadcast media pretty much daily, and that this is a classic case of the hypocritical press getting their teeth into something. Whether to sell papers or not I don't know, I'm never convinced sales fluctuate that much according to the story of the day, I think they just love taking people down.

So end of the day, poor effort on show noone listened to has suddenly equated questions in parliament and national witch hunt.

I'd have thought with an American Presidential election in 4 days time the silly season might be over, I KNOOOW we're all sick to death of hearing the end of the world is nigh, but really, haven't 40,000 people got something better to do with their time? I hear that Jerry Springer the Opera is well worth a watch.

[Moos]

Do you know, I'm inclined to think that Mockers has had the last word there.

Tricky, innit Brendan.

see what i did there?

[Brendan]

No he hasn't you have.

Ooh now I have.

[HonaloochieB]

You're both wrong, Vanessa Feltz will have the last word, and the first one and the ones in between...

[mockney piers]

and another thing...

[Brendan]

Well the phone calls may or may not have been funny but the national, indignant shitstorm they have started certainly is.

[mockney piers]

Let's let the mash have the last word, on the money as ever.

BRITISH PUBLIC IN DEPRESSINGLY INCOHERENT OUTBURST

[Brendan]

I would just like to state for the record that I was a fan of satanic sluts before they went mainstream.

[bon3yard]

This attack on the Beeb crops up periodically...I cant see anything coming of it.

[paragon]

Word!

[Debi]

I've just done a post on my blog re the malarkey. I STILL think everyone's missing the point ...

[Jeremy]

Brendan Wrote:

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> I would just like to state for the record that I

> was a fan of satanic sluts before they went

> mainstream.

They were good when they were on Alternative Tentacles.

[bon3yard]

Tsk, they'll be coming for Mock The Week next...Frankie Boyle must be shitting himself. Now hes said a few things that have made me wince.

[????]

....Indeed, I thnk that 'they' will, although HIGNFY seemed business as normal last night eg "If Jonathonn Ross went to prison for this he'd certainly have to watch his 'Rs'". But the debate seems to have moved away from the relity that most people believe that comedy/satire general rudery can go as close to the edge as it wants but phoning people up and leaving offensive messages on their answer machines is illegal under harrasment laws and rightly so. an attack on this highly offensive behaviour is not an attack on 'comedy'....as the opposite equivalents to the 'Daily Mail' readers seem to keep missing in their branding of all who think RD and JR's behaviour as disgraceful as 'little englanders,, etc