PokerTime Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 That's right Jah. That kind of connection will always leads to cries of foul.I agree with you DaveR. The case against Brooks was weak, Coulson, iron clad. Juries have to be sure beyond reasonable doubt. That's what always amuses me too about the reporting of not guilty verdicts 'the jury have found you not guilty'. 'Found' is a word that exonerates the jury of letting the guilty get away with it, as much as defining the injustice of those wrongly accused.On the other hand, maybe Brooks is only guilty of being an employee of an organisation over which she had no real control over methods. We shall never know. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-760069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveR Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 It's a pretty tenuous connection to government - A Cameron has been at the Bar for 25 years and there's never been any suggestion that he has any political leaning, and the idea that it might influence a member of his chambers is completely unrealistic. Being head of chambers is not like being someone's boss (tbh it's a thankless task). And still no indication of what the suspicion of corruption is? It's not a suspicion that's been aired publicly by anyone as far as I can see, probably because there are zero grounds Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-760130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Also, just a few weeks ago, A. Cameron was fronting a challenge against legal aid cuts by asking a judge to rule that a fair trial could not take place due to lack of expert lawyers. It was seen as a real blow to the government's justice reforms. He can't be both part of the establishment cabal and fighting against it at the same time. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-760226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraferJack Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 DaveR: All points about bias and whatnot aside.. do your spidey senses not twitch in the slightest over any of this? Genuinely nothing? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-760228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveR Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 SJ, I know some of the lawyers involved and know most of the others by reputation, and although I don't know the judge I know the type pretty well. More importantly, I don't understand the narrative of any corruption/conspiracy story. The fact Brooks counsel was from DC's brother's set just doesn't take you anywhere - it was his job to get her off, and he did. What could DC do - ask him to try harder? Plus, everything that happened in the trial happened in public, in the presence of a whole load of journos who would be on to any hint of irregularity like a shot.Even if I put my most cynical hat on, if you want to fix a criminal trial the people you nobble are the cops, maybe the cps, not the barrister. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-760235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraferJack Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 sorry Dave, my mistake. I didn't mean to suggest such a narrow focusI think I have already said on here that the jury did the right thing - evidence wasn't sufficient. So I'm not suggesting anything iffy in the due processBy spidey senses I just mean Brooks, her role - not just in the trial, but over several years. Long before the scandal, not just lefties have complained about her and her methods. Murdoch's priority to save "this one" above any of the staff at NotW. When the trial was underway, Blair ringing her and not the Dowlers to offer his sympathy and supportCan't say she is guilty of anything. But one would have to be objectively tone deaf to think "nothing to see here" Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-760236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingMummy Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Rebekah Brooks had a team of three counsel: none of them are at Alex Cameron's chambers. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-760246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted July 4, 2014 Author Share Posted July 4, 2014 Coulson sentenced to 18 months for phone hacking. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-761778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 In an open prison.But he does have to spend a few nights in Belmarsh, which will probably be the worst few nights of his life. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-761789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I dunno, he'll have them all sitting at his knees listening to the stories. He'll do nine months max and come out just in time to launch the bonk buster. Murdoch will want him silenced unless he's post ironic enough to publish it Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-761805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 steveo Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I dunno, he'll have them all sitting at his kneesChange the words around a bit and you might be closer to the truth Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-761810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 Almost spat my tea out reading this.http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/26/rebekah-brooks-hacking-trial-costs-news-uk Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-776715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salsaboy Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Taking the piss a bit. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-776723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewGuy Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 You might not like her (and I don't), but the general principle seems to be sound that if you're found not guilty you shouldn't be caned for legal costs. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-776729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 In principle you're correct but we all know it was Murdoch's money funded the whole thing and that money paid for a legal team that dwarfed the prosecution's legal costs into the ground so much so that she got off. I still feel she's guilty as hell but that money wielded the power to get her off.Also, the ?100 million that News International has also had to pay out for other legal damages etc etc and her pay-off beggars belief. These are rich powerful arrogant people with connections in high places. I just find the whole thing very distasteful. But of course they are perfectly within their rights - the bastards! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-776737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted October 3, 2014 Author Share Posted October 3, 2014 Phew! Well, that's a relief.http://www.thedrum.com/news/2014/10/02/rebekah-brooks-withdrew-trial-costs-bid-after-judge-asked-second-opinion-phone Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-786668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkdrive Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Jah Lush Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Phew! Well, that's a relief.> > http://www.thedrum.com/news/2014/10/02/rebekah-bro> oks-withdrew-trial-costs-bid-after-judge-asked-sec> ond-opinion-phoneDo you reckon she thought it might be a good idea not to push her luck? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-786701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveR Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Interesting. Usually an acquitted defendant gets their costs paid back pretty much automatically. In this case though, the costs had been paid by News International, and even though the application was made by Brooks, they would have got the money if an order was made. The judge obviously thought that was a bit suspect, because News International was so heavily implicated in proven hacking, including by other individuals who had been convicted, and wanted to ask a whole load of potentially embarrassing questions, the answers to which would have been read out in open court. At that point, News decide they don't want the costs after all! Nice work Saunders J. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-786712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted October 3, 2014 Author Share Posted October 3, 2014 DaveR Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------Nice work Saunders J.Indeed. ;-) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-786713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 And he's outhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30142722 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-800828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerTime Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 After not even serving half his sentence! What is the point of judges handing down sentences if they don't actually mean anything? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-800882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveR Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 He did spend 5 months in the nick, including a short but undoubtedly nasty spell in Belmarsh, so not completely meaningless. And the early release provisions apply to everybody, not just 'celeb' offenders. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/46012-rebekah-brooks-cleared-andy-coulson-found-guilty/page/5/#findComment-800887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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