Palestinian PR

[Otta]

What exactly was deranged about what he said?

Will they eradicate Israel with their rockets? No

Will their people continue to die as long as they fire the rockets? Most likely

I don't think Steveo has saod anywhere that Israel are behaving correctly, but if I was an average Palistinian person right now, I think I'd want Hamas to stop "representing" me.

[Parkdrive]

Otta Wrote:

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> What exactly was deranged about what he said?

>

> Will they eradicate Israel with their rockets? No

>

> Will their people continue to die as long as they

> fire the rockets? Most likely

>

>

> I don't think Steveo has saod anywhere that Israel

> are behaving correctly, but if I was an average

> Palistinian person right now, I think I'd want

> Hamas to stop "representing" me.

Steveo's ranting and reactionary spouting is as bad as those he is railing against. Right now as a direct result of no intervention from the US or the West, Palestinians as dying in disproportionate numbers to Jews. Otta what would you have the Palestinians do? They've had land stolen from them, they've had access to water restricted, the Israelis have built the West Bank barrier in contravention of well just about everything, they've seen their civil liberties diminish. FFS what do you expect them to do, roll over and die, which is what it seems is exactly what Israel wants. As I've said before the Jews have had to put up with centuries of persecution and you'd think they, all of all peoples, would know better.

[Otta]

I don't disagree with anything you say, but what I wouldn't do was continue firing rockets at an enemy that I knew for a fact would return fire with far far greater firepower.

[Jeremy]

I can't help thinking that either side could end the violence if they wanted to by rising above the belligerent "tit-for-tat" mentality. I know things are rarely that simple, but I'm just not quite sure why...

[Otta]

Exactly right! And israel would do well to do it as they have much bigger tits than Hamas has tats (heh heh), but as I say, if I was a Palistinian I'd want Hamas to do it simply because there is a much bigger chance I'm going to die than the average bloke in Israel.

[Parkdrive]

Otta Wrote:

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> Exactly right! And israel would do well to do it

> as they have much bigger tits than Hamas has tats

> (heh heh), but as I say, if I was a Palistinian

> I'd want Hamas to do it simply because there is a

> much bigger chance I'm going to die than the

> average bloke in Israel.

I'd also want Israel to treating me like a sub human, tear down the West Bank barrier, give me access to water, freedom to travel within the area, all the other things the Jews have been subjected for centuries and now subject the Palestinians to. How quickly they forget. Has history taught them nothing?

[Otta]

I'm only talking about the current situation PD. None of that stuff is gonna happen whilst they're killing each other.

[Captain Marvel]

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[El Pibe]

It was just the friend if Hamas thing Steveo, you know I still luv ya

[Captain Marvel]

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[El Pibe]

Redacted ;)

[????]

Well i'm more with Steveo than the rest of you...apparently the Palestinian PR is doing a great job. hamas has no intention to ever negotiate or come to a compromise with Israel it wants them - the Jews - out Full Stop. They happily fire rockets into Israel in the direct knowledge that it will end up with dead palestinian children, indeed they actually want that..... the simplistic, anti-Israeli party line fed by Hamas is readily taken up.......It's a mess with both sides culpable, but the simplistic anti-isareli position is, at best, simplistic and sometime smacks of something altogether more sinister.......

[????]

PS The fraud Chomsky and the idiot Fisk as reliable witnesses to Israel's evilness....lol

[Otta]

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> Well i'm more with Steveo than the rest of

> you.

*Ahem*

[????]

Sorry, Otta, I was moving into 'you lot' territory...there are a few of us who don't tow the party line

[uncleglen]

I agree with ???? and steveo 100%. The fact that the Palestinian leader joined the Nazi party because Hitler said he would kill the Jews says it all imvho.(ps ???? it's 'toe' the party line btw)

[El Pibe]

and sometime smacks of something altogether more sinister.......

Care to elaborate?

Were Russian partisans responsible for the reprisal hangings of civilians? No it was the hanging guys.

Were Vietnamese soldiers fighting us imperialism responsible for the million dead thanks to blanket bombing of Vietnam (and all the other fuzzy wuzzies)? Nope, the bombing guys.

[Loz]

???? Wrote:

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> They happily fire rockets into Israel in the direct knowledge that it will end up with dead

> palestinian children, indeed they actually want that.....

That seems to be the main problem. Israel think that dead Palestinians make a useful political point and Hamas think that dead Palestinians make a useful political point.

[El Pibe]

That's not the main problem, the main problem is that things are so fucked up that bullshit like this can be framed this way.

Caring about life is like soo left wing, so naive. We coooool right wingers, sorry, free thinkers, just care about antithesising guardianista windmills in, you know, a tilting fashion.

[nashoi]

The US brokers a peace deal, prisoner release and no rockets etc. Netanyahu repeatedly times the prisoner release with settlement expansion. Why??

[????]

El Pibe Wrote:

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> That's not the main problem, the main problem is

> that things are so @#$%& up that bullshit like

> this can be framed this way.

>

> Caring about life is like soo left wing, so naive.

> We coooool right wingers, sorry, free thinkers,

> just care about antithesising guardianista

> windmills in, you know, a tilting fashion.

Cool right wing free thinkers such as the, er, BBC?

And framing people who don't toe (!) the Party Line as not caring about life now that's proper unpleasant Framing

[Otta]

I care about life. That's whu I'd like hamas to stop firing their rockets so that Israel stop responding in kind.

[TE44]

I wonder where the 100,000 will go that have been asked to evacuate,

[Loz]

El Pibe Wrote:

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> That's not the main problem, the main problem is that things are so @#$%& up that bullshit like

> this can be framed this way.

>

> Caring about life is like soo left wing, so naive.

I'm not sure how you can consider my comment as not 'caring about life'. It's quite the opposite.

> We coooool right wingers, sorry, free thinkers, just care about antithesising guardianista windmills

> in, you know, a tilting fashion.

I don't regard myself as either completely left or right wing, as it happens. I'm a bit of both.

[El Pibe]

something about apples falling from trees http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/A-decisive-conclusion-is-necessary

gilad sone of ariel.

To be extrememly generous, I guess he has a point that the pretence that it isn't an occupied territory benefits noone.