paying for the de menezes coroner inquiry

[pros]

i wasn't sure if you were aware of this the coroner's inquiry bill

[SeanMacGabhann]

and your point is that who should pay ?

[giggirl]

Maybe I'm showing my ignorance but I thought Stockwell was Lambeth. Why is the bill going to Southwark?

[mockney piers]

I don't know, he's got a fair point, just because an operation occurs in your part of town, it seems a tad unfair that a local authority has to foot the bill. ?1 million will be a hefty dent in Southwark's budget.

Mind you I thought Stockwell was in Lambeth, in which case it's totally fair, no skin off my nose guv, can the council provide some more PCSOs and invest in our schools please?

[EDOldie]

We will pay one way or another, but perhaps the Police should pay or central Govt. rather than just the ratepayers of Southwark and only three other London Boroughs as reported. It does seem disproportionate in view of the national implications of the case.

[pros]

SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

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> and your point is that who should pay ?

i wasn't making a point, sean, i was just pointing to the article. personally i think it should be the police or the government who foot the bill and not the people.

[mockney piers]

"police or the government and not the people"

Eh? And who pays for them? Or do you mean out of their wages? Now I'm with you on that one!!

Could you imagine what a great precedent that would set, if all politicians who voted for the war actually had to hand over 80% of their income and directorships to pay for the extra injury compensation, for the separate health care injured soldiers require, for the equipment they should have been issued with?

Now we're talking :)

[pros]

mockney piers Wrote:

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> "police or the government and not the people"

>

> Eh? And who pays for them? Or do you mean out of

> their wages? Now I'm with you on that one!!

>

> Could you imagine what a great precedent that

> would set, if all politicians who voted for the

> war actually had to hand over 80% of their income

> and directorships to pay for the extra injury

> compensation, for the separate health care injured

> soldiers require, for the equipment they should

> have been issued with?

>

> Now we're talking :)

yes to all of your post :)

[Siduhe]

giggirl Wrote:

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> Maybe I'm showing my ignorance but I thought

> Stockwell was Lambeth. Why is the bill going to

> Southwark?

The relevant coroner's office which covers Stockwell is Inner South London. In the ordinary course of things, Southwark, Lewisham, Lambeth and Greenwich share the costs of all coroner's inquests for the Inner South London office. It's possible for the Coroner to make a special order about who should pay the costs of the inquest (the MPA for example), but otherwise the normal rule will apply, unless some kind of special deal can be reached with the Home Office.

[Strawbs]

Call me naive but how the hell does a bill come up to 4 million in 11 weeks? I just cant seem to fathom it..

[pros]

i don't think it matters how much it is, or how much, when broken down to individual council tax bill, individual people will be paying. it's the fact that pretty much all of us are responsible for the war deaths around the world and for the police murders of innocent people in this country.

[mockney piers]

"it's the fact that pretty much all of us are responsible for ..."

Speak for yourself, my vote tried to stop that shower of shag sacks in '97, '01 AND '05!!

Those I did vote for voted against the war thengyouverymuch!!

Unless you mean in a more general I-consume-therefore-I-tacitly-approve-of-neo-imperialism fashion; which might be just a tad unfair?

[pros]

i wouldn't call it unfair, mockney, just a fact? oh i feel a ramble coming on (my own ramble) - i'll post more when i've unrambled it :)

[mockney piers]

Fine, I'll live in a tent in Antarctica and eat only penguin*, thus avoiding any guilt by association for any wrongdoing ever committed by anyone whatsoever. Meanwhile, back in the real world....

*though I may be upsetting the Brahman there...ok ok, snow it is.

[Brendan]

Or you could adopt the world view I have. That being, that I am only one man with good intentions so I can therefore lay culpability for the world squarely at the feet of everyone else.

You bastards.

You should try it it?s a very liberating place to be.

[Huguenot]

I'm not sure Mockers.

I think it would be more unfair to claim that we had no responsibility for these situations whilst filling our boots from the trade imbalances that created the crisis in the first place.

That being said, as an essentially peaceable chap I don't like to carry the can for people who think the best ways of solving problems involves mass slaughter.

[pros]

happy boxing day everyone

things are never black and white, and the alternative to what the 'real' world is today is not a cave and snow eating. the 'real' world itself is not a fixture but a changing (although not necessarily evolving) one and thankfully there are alternatives.

we could learn to consume ethically so that when we do buy something, we know that the profit will go to the person(s) who made the item, rather than a boss/manager/company director

we could learn to not keep our money in banks whose only real purpose in life is to keep the canary wharf chaps in business

we could learn to take a step back and relearn to breathe

we could learn to not compete 24 7

etc?