A political revolution? ..er maybe

[????]

i think a lot of older 'lower/middle middle class' provincial who aren't struggling vote UKIP. They have also hoovered up the old BNP vote.

[Louisa]

UKIP are simply a new alternative now the Lib Dems are considered establishment. Interestingly so are the Greens. Let's do away with FPTP and get a more proportional system. We can stop the mainstream complacency then perhaps.

Louisa.

[????]

I think I agree with that Louisa, with all the potential problems etc I think it will at laest encourgae a bit more engagement. We'd see the emergence of a proper Left wing alternative (although the Greens are that, a bit) for example and maybe a proper MOR dull old managing things decently party that'd get my vote :)

[Otta]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> Not sure I agree. Have a look at results in May. I

> suspect many struggling areas won't have a bar of

> UKIP. Struggling doesn't make people thick.

I didn't say struggling = thick.

I also think you're making the same mistake the main parties are making, i.e. dismissing people that vote UKIP as thick.

[StraferJack]

You didn't say struggling = thick

But I did say if you are struggling AND vote for a party with little by way of written manifesto and a stench of xenophobia over them, then yeah you're a bit thick. Especially as other protest votes are available

If you are not struggling and vote for them you are also either thick, or racist. And possibly both

Why is it a mistake to think UKIP voters thick and or racist? What's clever about it? Where is there a shred of intelligence in voting for them? Exactly what is it in their manifesto that rings true?

"WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK!!! Enough not stepping on toes!!!!!!""

[El Pibe]

"stepping on pins and needles" get it right strafer

[Otta]

That's the point I was making earlier, a lot of people don't look too deeply at a party's manifesto, they vote based on the public face of the leader and the headlines. Not only UKIP voters, PLENTY of reds and blues too.

That's basically what I was saying depressed me earlier.

[StraferJack]

But I don't care if people of almost any persuasion are thick. I genuinely don't

It's when they start voting in numbers for a ludicrous party with scary policies disguised as "honest" I start to get agitated.

I don't care about the main parties getting roughed up. But there are a dozen less unpleasant parties to vote for. By actively voting for this party it's a combination of thick and dangerous

[StraferJack]

That said, even my intolerant self is hoping this is apocryphal

"Quote of the day from Clacton on Resident "Yes I voted UKIP the Tory MP has done nothing for years"

[aquarius moon]

My parents switched me on to politics when I was about 11 years old.

They lived in an area that was true blue and still is. They voted Liberal their whole lives simply because they didn't want to vote Tory & knew Labour could never win.

When I moved from the area I realised that votes actually count.

So I voted Labour.

[maxxi]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> But I don't care if people of almost any

> persuasion are thick. I genuinely don't

>

> It's when they start voting in numbers for a

> ludicrous party with scary policies disguised as

> "honest" I start to get agitated.

>

Been trying to find this quote... ah yes ... "Former Tory councillor 'says dumb people shouldn't be able to vote' after Labour takes her old seat in local elections for Croydon" - Clare George-Hilley

Knew I'd seen these sentiments expressed somewhere else.

That's the problem with pesky democracy - they let anyone vote.*

*Copyright Huguenot 2012

[Otta]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> That said, even my intolerant self is hoping this

> is apocryphal

>

> "Quote of the day from Clacton on Resident "Yes I

> voted UKIP the Tory MP has done nothing for years"

Hahahaha brilliant!

But kind of proves my point that a lot of people don't look beyond the leader and the headlines.

And there may be other parties they could have voted for, but when do these parties get a mention in the press.

Just heard on the news that the Lib Dems done so badly yesterday that they lost their deposit. Oh dear.

[Brendan]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> Why is it a mistake to think UKIP voters thick and

> or racist? What's clever about it? Where is there

> a shred of intelligence in voting for them?

> Exactly what is it in their manifesto that rings

Sorry but I find that a bit condescending. Say what you will about UKIP but they are the only party who has opened up the debate on real issues that matter to people. Like the fact that immigrants have AIDS.

[Alan Medic]

What about if less than a certain percentage of the electorate don't bother voting, no one gets to represent them in parliament?

I think in one by election 34% voted and in the other 50%. Most people can't be bothered.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Brendan Wrote

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> ......they are the only

> party who has opened up the debate on real issues

> that matter to people. Like the fact that

> immigrants have AIDS.

The fact that immigrants have AIDS. Jeez, really? Seriously?

[Loz]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Brendan Wrote

> -------------------------------

> > ......they are the only

> > party who has opened up the debate on real

> issues

> > that matter to people. Like the fact that

> > immigrants have AIDS.

>

> The fact that immigrants have AIDS. Jeez, really?

> Seriously?

**whoosh**

[Brendan]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> I think in one by election 34% voted and in the

> other 50%. Most people can't be bothered.

They were probably just worried about the premium rate call charges.

[StraferJack]

Leftie nutter (Matthew Paris) in student rage (the times) absolutely nailing it

https://mobile.twitter.com/stephentall/status/520686724146790400/photo/1

[StraferJack]

More leftie nonsense (the economist) on immigration

http://www.economist.com/blogs/blighty/2014/10/labour-and-immigration

[Brendan]

Yea but they have AIDS! Mark Reckless the new UKIP PM who kicked the tory out said so.

I'm a bit sick of lefties think they can make points by linking to some so called "new paper" or suchlike. http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/ukip-attracting-labour-voters-who-are-fed-up-and-stupid-2014101091618

[Loz]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> Leftie nutter (Matthew Paris) in student rage (the

> times) absolutely nailing it

>

Parris wrote a truly dire colomn just before the election which annoyed the folk of Clacton and probably sent more than a good few votes UKIPs way. A salutory lesson in calling potential UKIP votes lots of names doesn't work.

[Otta]

Yep, patronise them, that'll get the votes back.

[StraferJack]

God forbid people should take responsibility for their actions

[Otta]

Oh they should.

But not everyone is tou SJ, you seem to really struggle to get yourbhead around that.

Do you think your attitude here would convince anyone that crossed a UKIP box tp think again? Or is it more likely you'd get theor back up?

[StraferJack]

I doubt ANYTHING Isay would make the slightest difference to someone who can look at ukip and vote for them

I'm not electioneering. I'm calling what I see.

IF I'm listening to a cab driver rant about immigrants or women shouldn't have the vote, nothing I say will change his mind. Absolutely nothing. But I can and will call him thick. And worse.

But hey.. You defend them if you want