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StraferJack Wrote:

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> 2018 is completion of works

>

> I am caught up in the platform squueze every

> morning and it's a royal pain - but given teh

> scale of construction what do people expect

> staff/TFL to actually do?

>

> It is what it is...


Just tell me when it will stop - some say 2014, others 2015, now 2018.


The staff I've asked at London Bridge don't know.


I just want to be kept informed...

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I'm not convinced that it's going to improve much until the works are finished in 2018, but hope I'm proved wrong. For me it just emphasises why we should be pushing hard for an extension of the tube network into SE London. We are totally reliant on the trains with no viable, high speed alternative.... I know we have buses, but they're so slow in rush hour, that they don't represent a viable commuting option for many of us. We pay for the tube network through our taxes, we should be served by it as much as those in other parts of London.
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I can't really agree with this "I demand we have a tube line" stance, but I can agree that the current situation is unacceptable, and at times, dangerous.


The trains are now so tightly scheduled that if one train is delayed, the whole network goes bang and they start having to cancel trains or miss out stops. Half hour waits are commonplace, as are 25 minute journeys. There is a lack of useful departure information at London Bridge. And at the end of all this... we'll have one less platform than we did to start with.

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Jeremy Wrote:

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> I can't really agree with this "I demand we have a

> tube line" stance


If you look at the tube map, I think it's obvious that SE London is massively under served. This should be a strategic priority for investment / expansion. I'm not suggesting East Dulwich necessarily, but SE London generally. An entire quarter of London is reliant almost exclusively on trains and buses and as a result, when things go wrong on the former, there is carnage on the latter, leaving people with few options.

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StraferJack Wrote:

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> When will what stop? The whole project? 2018

>

> The shuffling along platform_15? That's probably

> got variables in play - I just accept it is

> unlikely to happen anytime soon


Just platform 15. That's all I care about.

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rahrahrah Wrote:

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> An entire quarter of London is reliant almost exclusively on

> trains and buses and as a result, when things go

> wrong on the former, there is carnage on the

> latter, leaving people with few options.


So you think every area of London should be served by at least three forms of transport, as a contingency measure?


Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer a tube too... but I don't get the argument that carrying on without it is some sort of great burden. The current situation, while painful, is not permanent.

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StraferJack Wrote:

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> Ah I see ? just like fazer71 and his planes noise

> threads

>

> ?I don?t care if everything is interdependent and

> connected, just fix my bit?


As it happens, I'm affected by the other parts too (no Charing Cross trains stopping from Jan 2015 to August 2016. Closure from 20 December to 4 Jan.).


But no-one seems to be able to give me a concrete answer to this one question.

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I just think that it is ridiculous that the tube network has a massive hole in it. That out of 270 stations only 5 in SE London, outside of Zone 1 and yet it doesn't get addressed. Instead money from the transport budget is used to fund tourist attractions like the Emirate Dangleway, the garden Bridge and vanity projects like the 'Boris bus'. The latest extension of the northern line serves an area where there is no current demand or existing community - it's is just a huge public subsidy to a development of luxury flats. So yes, I think it's reasonable to demand that transport priorities shift, so that the budget is used to improve provision for existing London communities, rather than serve the interests of property developers or the mayors ego.
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I prefer to look at holes in the "transport network" rather than purely the "tube network".


A once-a-ten minute train service to London Bridge - with easy interchange to Charing Cross - would be a perfectly respsectable service. If it worked. Without engineering works every. single. weekend. since. ever.

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